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I think a material difference between Iraq (v2 anyway) and Ukraine is that they can keep doing the "well Russia was the aggressor" thing indefinitely even if the reality is more complicated.

also yes obviously some libs are still stubborn about Iraq, the worst ones, but for the most part its generally agreed that the Iraq War was a bad thing.

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[-] duderium@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Did you also protest the NATO coup in Ukraine in 2014?

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think we may disagree on the origins of the Maidan Protests, the Crimea annexation, and at this point probably even the end of WW2 and Soviet Union.

Edit: aw shit, I just realized where I am.

[-] flan@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

youre on the history channel motherfucker

[-] FrogFractions@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did you protest arming Nazi militias like Azov that posted videos of themselves crucifying people and burning them alive or giving them electric shocks while making them dig a grave?

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

That's a lot of words for "no."

Just say you supported the Maidan coup.

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Most Westerners who watched the news did shrug-outta-hecks

At the time my impression was "brave Ukrainian students ousting their corrupt Russian minion of a president so they can join the EU and become a proper European country instead of a depressing Soviet hellhole"

That's still the level most people are operating on

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I think a lot of people naivly-as-opposed-to-maliciously believe what doublepepperoni said.

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think people on Hexbear often forget how different the world looks to the average person in the West

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, I exist in the West, I'm well aware of how bad the typical person's politics regarding foreign countries are.

[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Edit: aw shit, I just realized where I am.

sicko-hexbear

[-] RollaD20@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

even the end of WW2 and the Soviet Union

Average Operation Unthinkable supporter

[-] immuredanchorite@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

even the end of WW2 and Soviet Union.

ain’t that some shit. please enlighten us all what you meant by this? Do you think the wrong side won the war? Are you saying you think the world would have been a better place if Nazi Germany hadn’t been defeated by the Soviet Union? We are all ears.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Based on their other opinions, I dont think they would (openly) go that far which is why I'm kind of baffled by the statement and want to know what the hell they DID mean. Like maybe they dont think the USSR won the war alone. Or they believe Double Genocide Theory? Idk.

ETA: Oh maybe its that they think Operation Unthinkable was a good idea like another poster suggested.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

One of us lives on Earth, the other lives on Planet CIA.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

probably even the end of WW2 and Soviet Union.

?????????????

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

The nazis were talked into defeat, it was the power of love obviously

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Edit: aw shit, I just realized where I am.

What do you mean by this?

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago
[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago
[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Who screwed it up and gave it all back?

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Again ?????????? What the fuck does this even mean?

The western powers put ex nazis in control in West Germany but I dont think thats what you're asking about.

[-] readmore@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Answer all the questions, dipshit.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Naw, waste of time arguing with conspiracy nutters.

[-] readmore@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

What WW2 conspiracy theory do you think this site propagates?

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Conspiracy nutter is when you think history has more moving parts than a Marvel script

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Your side is the one giving ten minute standing ovations to veterans of the 14th SS volunteer division to own the ruskies and re-writing history

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

It's not for your audience. Educate the lurkers.

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