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[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 17 points 17 hours ago (4 children)
[–] Templa@beehaw.org 1 points 4 hours ago

You should also link Ariadne's post saying she rather use signal, but that would be against the tone of your post, right?

https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/116043045098562878

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Ugh. I've always liked Matrix (and was not bothered too much by the metadata leaks because my home server was not federated anyways), but after noticing some issues and finally reading up on the actual protocol spec a couple of weeks ago... oof. Yeah. No.

Set up XMPP for now. Works really well and the protocol seems so much saner. Unfortunately, it too has some annoyances that are unacceptable to me in the long term. I'm this close to saying "fuck it" and wasting the next couple of years of my life on a new protocol that no one is gonna use. (Cue the XKCD here.)

[–] SwooshBakery624@programming.dev 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Works really well and the protocol seems so much saner.

Unfortunately, it is not.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 4 points 12 hours ago

Ha, thanks, I'd already read that. And I do, mostly, agree; the OMEMO implementation is not great both from the security perspective discussed in the post, as well as the UX (not being able to decrypt old messages on new devices at all).

That being said, I primarily want a selfhosted, federated messenger which also takes privacy and security seriously, and at least for the former, XMPP is really refreshingly good.

[–] leviathan@feddit.org 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Discord in it's entirety is unencrypted

[–] voxel@feddit.uk 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

To be fair, Discord has e2e encrypted voice calls using their "Dave" protocol.

https://discord.com/blog/meet-dave-e2ee-for-audio-video

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago
[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago

They're still far more encrypted than literally every other alternative.