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NATO will not join US–Israel campaign, Rutte says (tvpworld.com)
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[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

(under the protection of)

Which, as we can plainly see, they are not.

failing to secure a veto power

They didn't need a veto, they secured a vote. By complying. To the sanctions. Because they worked. If anything, had the sanctions still been in place when Trump first won, I would expect a US veto on lifting them.

Today, since they are - as I said - a key enabler for Russia’s war ambitions, they would be protected. [..] And that is still correct.

No it is not.

You're equivocating real, actual vetos on real, actual resolution proposals with vetos you imagine would be invoked to resolutions you imagine would be proposed. You keep making arguments that don't exist outside your head. And possibly Congress.

For example prosecution for killing its own citizens en masse a couple of weeks ago for daring to stand up against the ongoing oppression by the regime.

Oh? So not the war? You're arguing for illegal war because veto umbrellas make the UN useless, but even in your imagination the veto is used against sanctions, instead of a war?

Who said otherwise?

Uh... something something western world, something holy crusade, blabla Amalek, blablabla red heifer, blablabla Jesus coming back. It's been all over the news recently, but various rephrasings and dogwhistles were around for decades. Hell, now that I think about it, Iran's theocracy being sclerotic and unpopular might even be a point in Iran's favour.

being so hellbent on annihilating another country, that makes that regime a strain on the international community.

See, this is another one of those equivocations: This entire phrase applies a lot more directly to Israel than it does to Iran. Iran makes a lot of noise, but I don't remember them assassinating Israeli officials or bombing Israel out of the blue, and when the international community gets serious, they are willing to make concessions. Israel, on the other hand, is under cover of more than two dozen SC vetos, and currently arguably engaged in an ethnic cleansing, a genocide, and an ~~illegal war of aggression~~ two, actually, they just invaded Lebanon. Again.

How good does that work if there’s an elite caste that can veto whatever goes against their will? How can you get countries to abide by the rules if these rules only apply to certain countries?

That is an excellent question, except it would seem to basically only apply to US and Israel. Maaaybe the NorKs. Past Apartheit, Russia was by and large covering it's own ass, and China was mostly backing Russia up, presumably to fuck with the yanks. America is the only one with a problem child that needs constant bailing out of juvie. So, really, the question is less about the UN, and more "how do we get the US to either reign in their brat, or stop covering for it".