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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70's.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it's impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

We (EU) support democracy and human rights,

Many migrants on boats would disagree, as well as many African nations.
Still leagues better than the US though.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

EU has helped a lot boat migrants, and it's not a human right to enter EU.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 hours ago

EU has helped a lot boat migrants,

Sure buddy.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70's.

The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.

We (EU) support democracy and human rights

Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it's just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.

Cooperation is generally a good thing,

Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70's.
There were also a lot of major protests against that war, and the peace-movement was way more active in the 70's than any other decade. Humanitarian values were clearly on the rise, and Carter was elected in 1976, the most humanitarian president USA ever had.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call "the 70s." That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let's not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also... uh... mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you're conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.

Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I'm not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70's, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70's than early 70's.
I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
You write like someone who did not experience the 70's, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70's compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
But there's a huge difference between the progress of the 70's, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80's. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

But there's a huge difference between the progress of the 70's, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80's.

Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It's hard to argue that things weren't somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but... so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What's your point here?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.

This is the context of the topic you responded to. So it has EVERYTHING to do with the topic.