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“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”

“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”

" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request.  To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"

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[–] Trilogy3452@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was talking about the "educating people" part. I interpreted as "let's steer them away from Signal towards a better solution". If it's not the intent then my comment is irrelevant

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Again, I think people should be aware that there are alternatives to Signal, and be able to make an informed decision on the trade offs that matter to them. My personal view is that there are absolutely better platforms than Signal, but if people understand the potential risks with Signal and use it because it's convenient or their other contacts use it, etc., that's entirely up to them. It's just not what I would personally recommend if people want privacy.

[–] Trilogy3452@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago
[–] pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You think we’re living in an ideal world, but we’re not. Most of our family and friends use WhatsApp and other big tech messaging apps. You make valid points, but they’re just a dream if messaging means people and if there aren’t people, it’s not messaging.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

No, I don't think we live in an ideal world. I repeatedly said you ultimately have to use the platform that your contacts use. I'm merely pointing out that you should understand the trade offs.