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Tell me, what is the number that you would change your opinion? 80,000? 90,000? 99,999? Does it only change when the line crosses past 100,00?
Or is the entire premise of the scenario just dumb as fuck?
The entire point is how absolutely brain dead the entire argument is. That was the point of my conclusion "you are just advocating for killing 70,000 people". It is a rejection of the entire framing that the world works as if it's a "trolley problem". It is to reject the false premise the entire argument is built on. It's to scream and say "who the fuck tied the people to the track!?" Can we stop acting like pulling the lever is the only option? The world is not a fucking trolley problem.
It's a testament to your complete lack of understanding that you think it's about "math".
Judging the performance of a ruling party based on how many people they kill is just an insane premise to begin with. You should reject the opinions of anyone that does that.
That's the entire point of why I said "you are just advocating for killing 70,000" people. It exposes the true meaning behind what they are arguing for within its material outcomes and reality.
At least it does to anyone that can use their brain. You, well, you can apparently only see the world through the filter in which you have been told to look at it with. That's why the premise of the 100k or 70k question you accept without even thinking.
It's only purpose serves to justify that people keep dying from not being able to afford access to healthcare.
Dude.
I'm responding to you doing exactly that. And not only that but making up a number without sources while you're at it.
Your enemy is you. And I'm just here to point it out.
That said, you contradicted yourself multiple times within your first comment, and then several more in the reply.
It's okay to be upset. But get organized. They're coming for you and me.
Go back and read my original comment that you replied to. I was talking about a "lesser evil voting" liberal debating someone. They made up this scenario of 100k vs. 70k. I am not the one that came up with that stupid hypothetical premise. I was literally mocking it.
You, misread my comment and then defended the made up scenario that I was mocking.
You might want to read a comment twice before you respond to it. Because if you could read my last response and not think "hmmm, did I misunderstand something? He seems to be rejecting his own hypothetical. He's either really really stupid or maybe I misread something."
That's what a normal person with some level of self doubt would do. Just take a second to double check their own assumptions when faced with such a massive contradiction.
It's what I did when I read your comment just now. Literally checked to see if I had a typo in my original comment or something. Because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Nope, I literally even put quotes around the entire premise to make it clear I was quoting the dude from the debate.
You're the type of person that isn't even smart enough to question yourself.
Had me in the first 90% but I have eyes. No you weren't, and no you didn't. Please link it if I'm wrong.
I'm all for fucking up, but in this case I haven't. Your "in some story somewhere" is exactly what I'm talking about. This is no longer about anything real. My whole point is to make that known. So go ahead and provide the things you need to provide to be right.
Worst part is I don't disagree with you. I disagree with how you're going about it.
So, wait, which is it now? I "made up the hypothetical premise" or "I made up the debate of a liberal making up a hypothetical premise?"
Because those are two different things mate. You've spent this whole time arguing I made up the 100k vs. 70k premise.
Like, are you not capable of scrolling up? Are you really so unable to admit you misunderstood something that now your demanding a link to the debate I was mentioning?
Like, I have it. I'll look for the exact part of the debate for you. But you've literally just changed the entire point you were arguing against.
It's a two hour long discussion. I'll find a timestamp for you if it's that important. But, holy shit, did you just move the goal post just to avoid admitting you misunderstood something. You really just look silly now.
https://youtu.be/0jQ7cob4sLo
It's 3-5 comments up. We're not inventing teleportation over here.
https://vger.to/lemmy.ml/comment/24188869
I'll link it for you.
Yep. That's my initial comment. Sure is.
Sounds to me like I'm mocking a liberal dude that made up a stupid "lesser evil" premise.
Something he said in the debate I linked in my last comment.
I'm really struggling to see what point you are trying to make at this point.