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[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 10 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Soviet architecture being like that has nothing to do with socialism and everything with authoritarianism. Just like everything else they did.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Soviet architecture is a byproduct of the material circumstances of the moment. The USSR industrialized at an unforeseen speed, took it less than 40 years to reach industrial maturity compared to 100-150 for Great Britain and Germany. They had to build housing for tens of millions of people in newly erected cities from scratch. They managed not only to do that, but to do it fairly, guaranteeing housing for everyone and eliminating homelessness, housing costing 3% of monthly income on average, and on top of that it was built in walkable neighborhoods with a wide variety of services nearby from stores to schools to medical care, and with top notch public transit and urban planning for the time, leaving space for green areas and playgrounds.

Nothing of that is authoritarian, you've been brainwashed by capitalism to hate socialism.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Socialism in the USSR stopped existing after the first elections they tried to hold. But it's not like you're going to engage in a good faith argument to begin with. Must feel nice to have a Good Camp that can do no wrong.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I gave you hard economic and historical data, what part of what I said is bad faith?

And what elections are you talking about, provisional government?

I'm critical of many aspects of Soviet socialism, not sure what you're talking about

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"Hard economic and historical data" with no sources, that sure inspires confidence.

I'm talking about any elections they've held. You know, the ones where you were only allowed to vote for one party or fuck off.

I don't really see how it's possible to be critical of Soviet socialism without acknowledging Lenin ruined it the moment he decided to keep Bolsheviks in power.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

"Hard economic and historical data" with no sources

Can't provide you the exact pages right now, but my sources are:

-Robert C. Allen's "Farm to Factory: a reinterpretation of the Soviet industrial revolution"

-Alec Nove's "An economic history of the Soviet Union"

-Albert Szymanski's "Human Rights in the Soviet Union" and "Is the red flag flying"

-A. Zveriev's "Lo que recibe el trabajador soviético además de su salario"

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 hours ago

The equivalent of these people did not live in commie blocks either. The people who did still live in tenements or are straight up homeless.

Communist societies not having a large middle class is a different question though.

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

100%. They socialized the civic losses and sacrifices, and privatized the gains for their oligarchy.