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[–] Ediacarium@feddit.org 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is a really weird way to argue a weird point. I think, the main issue is, most games are closer to boardgames than movies and the author places them too close to movies.

And you can build boardgames for romance, sure. But, unless the romance is part of the core game loop, it's something that breaks the flow of the game. So it gets abstracted away, or the romance is expressed in terms of the core game mechanics. Which, in video games often are reaching the next scene, dialog trees or gaining stat points.

And, even if you think they're closer to movies, then most video games are closest to action movies. And here the word romance isn't used. It's just renamed love interest and is often just the price for saving the world, but the core 'mechanics' are the same.

And most romances will start as fun flings full of hope, not with the nitty-gritty logistics. The logistics will come later, sure. But most Video-Games are set romantically in a few weeks of summer camp, so there is no need to figure out logistics, yet.

Open-World games, that have a character that travels around and meets people as part of their daily lives, sure.

But this argument would apply to games like the Elder Scrolls series. Not Cyberpunk 2077 in which the main character is dying and has only weeks left to live.

But, I do concede that most romances do fall flat once you've reached the top. You had your sex-scene and you may have your kisses, your hugs, the new greetings in dialogue, and the characters return to being cardboard in the background.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Very well put.

To touch on the point of "where do video games fit in media"; I am reminded of an old video that sticks with me, roughly shortly after the release of Elder Scrolls Oblivion, with Sir Patrick Stewart on the topic of covering games and whether they are art.

He put forward the framing of "who is telling the story" to classify where video games fall closest as art. You have four possible personas in storytelling/art: • the author • the director • the actors • the audience He then broke down who is telling the story: • in paintings and carvings, it is the artist telling all of the story directly through the media. • in books, it is a combination of the author and the reader, it is the author's words that create the story through the filter and imagination of the readers mind.
• on stage, it is the actors that tell the story to the audience. • in film, it is the director telling the story through the performances of the actors who all filter the words of the writer.

He stated how he marveled at video games because they represent a new media where the storyteller is the audience directly. Yes the writer lays out the possible elements, the actors, if present, influence how the characters are percieved, and the director pulls all of that together.

But it is the audience that creates the story in every run through every action they take in the game, and as such they are closest to books.

Insofar as romance and based on the above, I think that once the planned beats are played out it is up to the audience as the storyteller to create the rest of the romance.

[–] Ediacarium@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The point about who is telling the story is interesting, especially in regards to ttrpgs.

Because today, video games are everywhere and are telling insanly emotional stories. And to gamers, the guardrails feel natural. After all, they have to be there and have always been there, so the suspension of disbelief includes ignoring that you're (in ttrpgs terms) on railroads.

But, the old guard has played ttrpgs while video games were in their infancy, so they never expected the GM to give them a framework, in which they could do everything, and that still produces a story that would make J.R.R. Tolkien give standing ovations.

They, instead, assumed that with clever incentives, the players would themselves want to play and create the stories themselves. As you pointed out, the GM would simply offer tools for the players to tell their stories.

But, to tie this back into romance in video games: Sure, you can roleplay that yourself (if you write it down, you have created fanfic) but, like in ttrpgs, it's not 'your' character and you're not the GM.

Some groups might play that way, everyone being a quasi gm who can tell a part of the story freely and then handing the scene back to another player.

But in most groups, I think, players want to control only one character (themselves). To them it feels violating to either take away/control someone elses character or having your character be played by someone else.

And in video games, the only character you have is your main character. Thus roleplaying other characters is like taking away the GMs NPCs.

But, your point does work in games like The Sims, where, even though the dialog/romance options are limited, you can add back that level of meaning through roleplaying. Or in games like the elder scrolls, where the storylines aren't intertwined. But Cyberpunk 2077 does pull your romantic interest into optional endings, so the characters behavior might then no longer align with your interpretation, because the game took back control of its characters.

[–] Player2@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

So I have to roleplay romance in my role playing game? I don't play role playing games to play roles! /s

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Multidimensional choose your own adventure.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Romance isn't the most logical thing, and a video game lives in a computer and kinda has to be logical.

So it's either going to be some scripted events written by a human which the player doesn't have control over, or it'll be along the lines give item X to character Y, select dialog option B and now she loves you. The first doesn't fit the medium and the second is a really terrible way to portray a relationship.

Maybe some LLM algorithms might portray romance better? But I don't feel good about that. Don't want to burn crazy amounts of electricity talking to a LLM character in a video game and the game would have to be online only, which means it cold be shut down at any time.

Even if we have the tech to have an LLM kind of algorithm that wouldn't use too much power and could run locally, it would really suck if you couldn't progress in a game because the LLM decided they don't like you. So it would still be a side thing, and not important to the main story of a game.

[–] Ediacarium@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Oh, I do think that romance is logical. After all its purpose is to ensure the survival of the genes. It's just that the romance algorithms and the hardware they're running on have been hotfixed for millions of years so there are insane amounts of technical debt, that make the algorithm hard to figure out.

And in romance movies there is always a pursuer and a pursued party. And, as audience, we can clearly identify the correct behavior for the pursuer. But, if you identify with the pursued party, then these romance movies will feel like it's all chance, because the pursued often has very little agency.

A scoring system just formalizes this behaviour. And in video games, you as a main character have all the in-game agency. A romance, that would move the agency to an NPC will feel like the "OMG it's you, the grand champion" guy from Oblivion, or like a courier desperately trying to talk to you no matter where you are.

And I generally don't have an issue with local LLMs in video games, but I really don't think there is a way to make them work. Dialog trees are a really good way to give a player some control, while not overwhelming them with choice.

LLMs might work by allowing characters to acknowledge things you have done outside their own little storylines.

And, sure, I can type in my question. But this will be clunky and imo break the flow of the game. And I really don't want to sit infront of a computer and be talking out loud to some NPCs.