He somehow seems to think, still, that he can shape the Democrats. "If I thought there was a viable 3rd party do you think I would be voting for them? Fuck no" he says, after scolding someone in his chat, calling them an ultra, for calling him out for his continued connection to the democrats.
But lets think about this for a second...
how the fuck
do you build
a fucking party
do you do it by voting for, another party
do you do it by telling people to vote for another party
or do you do it by building A FUCKING WORKING CLASS PARTY
LIKE FUCKING LENIN SAID
I don't really understand what Hasan thinks these Democrats are supposed to "DO" in this situation. "They're not DOING it!" he yells. What is "IT"? Go against their class interests, defy the fundamental laws of capital and somehow break free of their social relations through pure force of will? His proximity to the Democratic Party is what breeds this weird fucking obsession he has.
"These guys are mad because they talk to ME and not their Pedo sex cult leader, that's why they're mad". What if they didn't talk to you, though? What if tomorrow they just stopped talking to you at all? What if the only reason they talk to you AT ALL is that they know that you have a huge fucking audience, and you are actually effective at moving people to the left? So instead, they give you cookies and treats, they give you access and interviews, they let you into the DNC, they give you access to candidates, like Zoran.
I really do think at this point, that he is being catfished by the Democratic Party. That they understand that he is an effective communicator, and they have somehow convinced him that if he just keeps at it, he can one day kick that football for real.
Yes, it is reifying the two party system! Independent members of government have been elected!
Joining and putting organizing efforts into a bourgeois political party in the hopes that it will lead to some sort of rupture that will allow socialists to take control of its part of its resources and legitimacy on the national stage is Trotskyite entryism. Lanyard brain Trotskyism. Machiavelli in a newsboy hat.
Lenin's position is that the party should be organized by and for the working class and that a party of this type can contest bourgeois elections but the goal is not to necessarily to win it's to use the platform given to further reach and organize the working class along communist lines.
That is not the same thing as the creation of viable national Workers Party that can challenge the two parties on a national stage, and you know it
There is no party! It doesn't exist, a workers movement doesn't exist, class consciousness doesn't even exist among the majority of the most labor friendly unions and orgs, and ultras have no plan to counter these conditions beyond vague declarations of orthodoxy
Ironically in perfect Trotskyite form; you're wishcasting, you're worldbuilding, detached from realties on the ground, talking about "party this, party that" as if there's some socialist entity on this soil that can contest 18 intelligence agencies, 5 massive military branches, a million cops and 75 million loyal fascist goosesteppers
Reality dictates we dispense with this fantasizing and commence with step one: which is killing the Democratic Party, and that's only possible through an internal rupture, cause your book club absolutely doesn't have the juice to pull it off externally
lmao all I can say is good luck with your party building project, may the Demonkkkrat$ burn
The strategy Hasan is arguing for is to create a party like organization that runs on the Democratic Party line. The point is not to rely on Democratic Party infrastructure or to do entryism. I’m pretty confident Hasan doesn’t believe the Democratic Party can be reformed. Rather he’s just arguing that running in bourgeoisie elections is next to impossible in the US on a third party ballot line.
This is basically the strategy that I believe most of the DSA endorses. The problem is the DSA doesn’t have the necessary infrastructure or consensus to act like a real party and discipline their candidates. That’s not the same problem as the one you’re describing though.
The issue I'm trying to get at is that strategy is inherently contradictory. If the only way progressives can get elected is entering the party that cannot be reformed, then what are those progressives ultimately able to do to change the system in a meaningful way when they'll be obstructed by that party?
Even if I accept CyborgMarx's explanation that there will inevitably be a split in the party that allows progressives to break off into their own thing, what prevents the new party from simply replacing/recreating the Democrats within the two party system that's so entrenched in the American voter's brain?