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The Correct Dialectical Take

True. We can't be dirty French accelerationists. It doesn't work.

Like what are people expecting of Hasan? If they want Hasan to promote their party and fund it or whatever, then go make one and get his support. I'm not opposed to being more proactive even here, like let's try to build something, but when I say that I'm told that this is a place to shitpost not build something :/

Then I go join an org somewhere else and people here would say they're not good enough either. But every place that says that refuses to do anything when I approach them. I can't tell if feds or just desperately lacking self-crit.

This is basically the DSA thesis, right? The problem they are going to run into is, eventually, they're just going to ban DSA members from running in their primaries. They will not allow their party to be taken over by entryism

Good, that's what we want, third parties only become viable when the dem elites dispense with the kayfabe and shut progressives and future leftists out of the current poltical process

But unfortunately that means we have to keep pushing a kayfabe of our known, which is entryism into the Democratic Party, so that rupture can be triggered in the first place

And the fact figures like Zohran and even those dipshits AOC and Bernie maintain high popularity while simultaneously the Democratic Party in general is at historic lows, tells us the groundwork for an internal split is already in place

The DSA thesis is called the "dirty break" which is the majority position. It means building and planning for a break from the Democratic Party. DSA has realignment advocates who want to move the democrats left. This is a popular position, especially among new people, but it is a clear minority. there used to be a lot of "clean break" tendencies, they fizzled out because their analysis quickly proved tdid,e irrelevant.

DSA is preparing for a break from the dems, the majority is very strongly against the democrats. But social movements are uneven and combined. The democrats dont have any mechanism for enforcing party discipline, they can't actually ban DSA members from registering as a democrat. They can pull some dirty tricks, and in some places they can prevent people from running on the democratic party line. But elections are handled on the state level, so the rules are different everywhere.

They can block action politically, but they can't do shit if they are out-organized. There are successes like Zohran Mamdani, but there are failures like when Las Vegas DSA took over the Nevada democratic central committee, and the party just moved all the money out of the accounts and shut them out of politics altogether.

Flattening DSA into an org with a singular perspective is a wildly incorrect way to view us. We are a democratic org, we have minority and majority positions, anyone can propose a change to the org, and in some ways, participating in DSA means struggling to change it. The Dem party realignment advocates, reflective of the original org but changed dramatically since 2015, are a minority but they also make up the largest tendency in NYC DSA, the largest and most electorally successful chapter in the USA.

There are now over 100000 members in good standing, and growing. DSA is committed to becoming the worker's party, we actually passed a resolution to that effect in 2025. Imo, we are THE primary vehicle for class struggle against capitalism. That doesn't mean we are perfect or have it all figured out. Its a mess, the org shouldn't function, and yet we do.

Everyone in the org knows that the dems will kick us out where they can, but where they haven't shows where they actually can't. If youve never tried to enforce party discipline or expulsion conditions where there previously wasnt any, it's very difficult. People really don't like it. Expelling DSA would be a boon for DSA imo, and the Democratic party knows this. They would never win another big election if they did, and would instantly create the largest USAmerican socialist party of all time.

I was so proud of our large son for signing up for the Flotilla, and he goes and says this.

I'm pretty sure that was V*ush

Imagine being able to type "the democrats can try to ... fight fascism" without laughing too hard to click "post".

You don't understand you fucking ultra, he's not steering people back into the Democratic Party he's telling you to build a progressive insurgency WITHIN the Democrat Party. It's ENTIRELY different!! /s

Are you single handedly bringing back forum signatures? Holy shit you're the coolest person in the fediverse.

(to my knowledge he hasn't even gotten to speak to Zoran

Of course he's spoken with Zohran, which is part of why Cuomo decided to make "Zohran won't condemn Hasan 'America Deserved 9/11' Piker" an absurdly prominent part of the latter stretch of his campaign.

It sounds like to me you're equating building a working class party with accelerationism. Accelerationism is a term I don't fully agree with as a cohesive framework or ideology. Are the Greens accelerationists in the American context? Are Green voters Accelerationists by extension?

I know that's not what you're saying. It just sounds that way. Accelerationism is the fools gold of ideological perspectives. It ignores the interconnected realities of monopoly capital and imperialism. You can only sharpen the contradictions so far before forces outside your sphere of influence make corrective measures. For example, the Chinese economy can't collapse for the same reason why the American economy can't. They are deeply interconnected. The worst you get is a slow controlled descent, a managed decline. Look at how often Trump dipped the stock market with rhetoric and tariffs only to back off and now effectively "stabilize" with much effort from China and our own capitalists.

So I'm not willing to accept this idea that you engage with the Democrats or you don't and accept your fate as an "accelerationist". The PSL is right there, the run candidates, they're running more this year then I've seen. Why pretend you can move a mountain? When instead you could be helping build one? By his own admission he's been doing this for 12 years. He's seen Sanders betrayed. AOC become the AOCapitulator running cover for Zionists and the rule of law. The Democrats aid a genocide and turn to the right, fail to do anything while aiding fascists in terrorizing and killing people within it's own borders. All this and he still thinks entryism is the right path?

If that's not delusion I guess I don't know what is.

I mean, he has a Political Science degree. He's clearly well-read. I think his perspective is warped by his proximity to the Democrats, and I think that's intentional on their part. When you look at how often they embrace progressives and then smother them into the fold, dull their teeth, and blunt their edges, while retaining their radical language, it's a clear pattern and tactic they adhere to. The entire western-leftist project is predicated on stifling revolutionary sentiment, building frameworks of critique that are unactionable, or whose actions steer you back into the neoliberal system. The Democrats, to me, appear to be doing exactly that. They are the final dam holding back leftist progress in this country. They are the revolutionary lightning rod, grounding revolutionary sentiment into the earth and preventing it from doing any actual damage. The Democrats need someone like Hasan as an unwitting Shepherd, leading the flock back into the fence. If they stopped allowing him to engage with candidates, what would be left for Hasan to do? If the Democrats purged current and former DSA members from their ranks, and bared future DSA members from their ranks, what would be left for the DSA to do?

I think it's good that he helps bring new people to the left and I sympathize with people who aren't openly "communist" but try to ease people in at first, but god damn I wish he was less of a radlib. Supporting a neo-nazi blackwater merc because he supports free healthcare (how low can the bar get?) Is just... Gross.

But he is a streamer lol, and afaik he does more good than harm, so I'll bregrudgingly accept him ;^)