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A literal steaming pile of dog shit would be better than our current situation. Let's dig ourselves out of the ground before we start reaching for the stars
Hey, buddy? Shut the fuck up.
The US is in the mess because of worthless people like you who get angry at anyone who hopes for more. People say “hey can we not do better than complete garbage?” and you feel the need to tell them that they’re wrong. Gavin Newsom will not dig you out of the hole you’re in, nor will any other center-right corporate stooge.
I say this with my whole heart: I hate you.
FYI sadly this is an unpopular opinion for users of lemmy world. While they are willing to admit Trump is bad most can't stomach admitting how much the dems have a hand in us getting to this point, let alone how little they care about preventing it or doing anything to improve the situation
It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people.
Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them.
At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more.
Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right
That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option.
You've assumed a lot about my position that is untrue, all I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral.
I say this with my whole heart: I don't hate you, and I hope we can win this fight, together.
It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward.
How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together.
I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult.
Again, you're replying to what you think I said, not what I actually said. I agree with you, we're on the same side.
Love you, hope you realize this infighting in only helping the fascists.
You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please.
I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you?
It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished.
In what way, did I say I support "diet republicans"? I absolutely want ICE to be abolished by the way.
With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016.
I never said I "support" Newsom. I said I'd vote for him over Trump. Fuck Newsom, just fuck Trump more.
So you'll advocate for someone else, right?
Asolutely. But if it comes down to Trump V Newsom, I'm not gonna decide all is hopeless and not vote.
In the meantime, I'll continue volunteering for the progressive politicians in my area, I'll continue building bridges with my MAGA neighbors and friends in order to pull them away from the cult, I'll continue working in my community to ensure our disenfranchised peoples are sheltered from our fascist administration, most importantly I'll continue resisting the urge to put more hate into a world that has plenty of it.
It's people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability.
Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again.
I do get behind progressive candidates, I offer zero support to Newsom at this time, but I realize that no matter how hard I support my favorite progressives, there is no gaurentee they'll win.
When it comes to 2028, I don't care much who is against the MAGA candidate, I'll almost certainly vote for them.
If I had a button on my desk that immediately swapped Trump for Newsom, I'd press it in a heartbeat, not because I think Newsom is a "good guy" or even that he'd be do the right thing. But rather because everything we can do to stem the tide of fascism is a good thing.
You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose.
I didn't ignore it, I simply disagreed with it, or at least doubted the conclusion.
I don't disagree that Newsom could lose, or even that it would be likely, but I don't see it as certain, because there is no certainty.
Boy, you're full of shit.
That's like, your opinion, man
The working class rallying behind less than we deserve is how we got Trump. He didn’t emerge from nowhere. He’s a product of multiple presidents, Dems & GOP, who did not serve the American people. He easily fooled those who believed he’d do more because we’re all so conditioned to expect nothing. We need to do better than just picking the lesser of two evils every 4 years. We need to rally together, yes, but behind higher standards - not behind more politicians who are deeply lacking. Class consciousness and collective action is the only way to do this.
Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point.
you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush
vote for Hillary she's the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama
vote for Hillary she's not trump - 2016
primary voters vote for Biden he's the only one who can beat Trump, we can't let Bernie have a shot - 2020
vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again??
That's basically the point I'm making? So I think one of both of us is confused.
No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party.
Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome
Thanks for telling me what I'm saying, but that ain't it.
we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems
It literally is but sure say it's not
You read the words, but you missed the meaning, and on top of that you read things into my words, that I did not say... I never mentioned rallying behind "right leaning dems", that's what you assumed I meant.
Because that's the only dems there are?
If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way
Yeah, that's pretty much true
I doubt an edit would help, to me what I wrote is clear, i lack the writing skill to make it any clearer. I've found attempting to write with nuance online is usually a waste of keystrokes anyway, few read and contemplate before reacting.
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