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[–] ambitious_bones@lemmy.world 54 points 13 hours ago (4 children)
[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Why the fuck is the UK even listed at all? The country that proudly says, that it is determining sex based on what you were born with and that everyone has to use bathrooms AS according to their birth sex.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 0 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago) (1 children)

Because it's a list about safety, not about beliefs. Regardless of what "the country says", you are not in any danger if you disagree. And outside of that issue, it's a very welcoming country for LGBT folks (yes, including T, despite what the government may say).

Especially since it's in the context of travel, so citizen rights are less relevant as they don't apply to you anyway, and it's much more relevant how you are going to be treated as a tourist, as you choose from the several LGBT friendly pubs down the road.

And that's still hyper focusing on one issue, totally ignoring the list also concerns safety for women and people of color, which can bring you up on the list.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 points 5 minutes ago

The government of a country usually reflects, at least partially, what its voters/citizens think......

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 1 points 5 minutes ago

Hell yeah, men noorderburen! (Aka: de niet verlegen scheten die Nederlands praten) ❤️🫡

[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

What a low bar the world has for safety when this terf island is so high in the rankings

[–] Mora@pawb.social 30 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Interesting to compare that to the ILGA Rainbowmap which just contains Europe.

The european countries from the list above rank as follows:

  • Netherlands 13th
  • France 15th
  • Austria 16th
  • UK 22nd (below EU average)
  • Ireland 14th
  • Iceland 3rd
  • Switzerland 18th

Now obviously they use different scoring ('travel' vs 'living there') but I think it is interesting that they differ that much. Also the groups differ and the one from the article seems pretty broad. I would hope everywhere with substantial progress in LGBTQIA+ rights would also have proper womens rights and protections as well, since it is the same side of the (manysided) equality-coin. Imo racism is still pretty bad and widespread across europe, so not sure how much that factors into the list (though if it would be a strong factor I would be surprised to see Austria and Switzerland on this list).

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

I don't think it's surprising the lists differ a lot.

  • Living there - will be more about the governments beliefs, and the law
  • Travel - will be more about what everyday people think and treat others

These are often very different, on any issue.

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

Absolutely - I was going to say, Spain is head and shoulders above the UK for LGBT safety (those are the only two countries I've spent a lot of time in recently).

Also worth noting, I've been in the non-touristy parts of north Vietnam for a month now (much more conservative than the south), and having talked to quite a few LGBT people here, it's safe to live as an openly queer person, they just occasionally have to put up with assholes ... just like everywhere else. And as a guiri, even the assholes don't want to confront me, an obviously queer woman.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm surprised that the Netherlands don't make it into the top 10 though. My German view is definitely biased, but when I travel there it just feels like (well, used to feel like) they got other stuff to think about than other people's gender and sexuality. Be what you want to be, as long as you're going to our coffee shops kind of. As basically all European countries are shifting to the right more and more, I imagine the relaxed climate has also changed. Also the Netherlands are more than just the big cities, God knows how LGBTQA+ friendly they are in Overjissel. I only played cow cricket there.