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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Basically whomever runs for president needs to announce building out - nationwide concrete apartment complexes construction program on a massive scale.
Offload at least 30-40 mln people demand. Housing costs gonna drop insanely

[–] SickofReddit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately as that would gain votes. It would also prevent votes as it would be basically announcing to anyone that owns a house that their retirement nest egg is going to shrink drastically. One of the perks of owning a house right now is it's worth a lot of money and is going to be worth more in the future. So I don't see anyone who currently owns a house voting for this . It's a shitty situation but i don't know the solution. Well government housing is the solution but they're going to have to sneak it in somehow and it's going to piss off a whole lot of people. I think 99% of millionaires are millionaires by real estate or some crazy number like that.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Rising home prices have driven retirement nest eggs for generations. People would own a house for a few decades, and it would steadily rise in value.

Today, people expect to speculate with their houses. They expect the value to double every decade. That's not good for anyone. If you own a house whose value has risen dramatically, who is going to buy it? And if they do buy your house, where are you going to live, when presumably all the other houses have also risen?

All this speculation has done is drive the price of housing up so only the wealthy and investment groups can afford houses. That means that all those Middle Class people who used to grow their net worth by buying a house when they were young, and holding it for life, are now priced out of participating, leaving a few lucky people with expensive houses that nobody can afford to buy or rent.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why concrete?

It's energy intensive (~& polluting), unhealthy, and does not last.

Various other options are available now. Lime hempcrete, and various myco-based solutions, for a couple examples.

With various suppressed technologies, if de-secreted and availed, we could even be building giant forest arcologies, and even linking them up to create vast forest arcologyscapes, increasing the carrying capacity of earth into the hundreds of trillions. Not saying we should, just saying we could, and that we have so much headroom without these crooks, these rentiers, seeking to keep others down just to maintain their power over others, even if it means making themselves worse off than what they could be in real terms, in egalitarian freedom and abundance.

Also, I hear there are already sufficient number of empty housing to house all the homeless... but the hoarders do not want to avail that for good use. They want to remain complicit in the manufactured scarcity to increase their return on investment, keeping the bubble growing.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

Lime hempcrete, and various myco-based solutions

AFAIK, those are replacements for insulation. They have like 1/10th the compressive strength of concrete

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A more immediate solution than building khrUShchevkas would just be to announce broad rent caps and implement rent assistance programs.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tax on second (or more) homes, tax on unoccupied by owner homes, should both be astronomical.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh god yes, my municipality just implemented an unoccupied home tax and the change has been night/day - the tears of AirBNB owners watching their property values plummet have been absolutely wonderful to watch, too.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Both can be done, though. There's more demand for dense housing in cities than there is availability. Simultaneously build millions of housing units for social rent and cap existing prices or directly expropriate rented housing.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think at a certain point this line of reasoning devolves into "the US should become communist" and while yes that would be a solution it's not exactly a practically achievable one in the short term.

However, the US already already sort does this - there were ~6 million total subsidized housing units in the US as of last year, and roughly 7 million total Khrushchevka apartments built across the USSR. The US is behind the soviet statistics here, having a higher population and lower subsidized housing count than the USSR at it's peak (and should absolutely be doing better to be clear), but it's not like this is a completely neglected concept - and there are real, practical barriers to implementing a similar policy of mass construction: the US largely already being urbanized and building modern codes being the two biggest (look into the state of the foundations for a Khrushchevka if you ever want to see why extremely time consuming site prep steps like soil surcharging and foundation curing are critical (soil hydrodynamics is a shockingly modern discipline in structural engineering)).

Things like an unoccupied home tax (as someone else mentioned) are an immediately workable solution, and have had excellent results thus far. Hopefully they can continue to be adopted, though I fear there may be a brief pause on any kind of beneficial social progress while we have a small civil war in the US.

edit: clarity

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Source for the 7mn Khrushchevki? That number seems entirely too low. Maybe you're not counting Brezhnevki? Because I remember figures of more than a million housing units being built yearly.

While "US becoming communist" is not achievable on the short term, "regulatory policy to improve rent under capitalism through reform" has even less of a background if you ask me. Like, housing is getting worse everywhere under capitalism, and better nowhere. What makes you think reformism is a more likely scenario?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What makes you think reformism is a more likely scenario?

The many recent examples of mucipalities and states passing regulatory policies to improve rent under capitalism are the primary one I'm using here. People are doing things to address housing,

Maybe you’re not counting Brezhnevki

I'm not, no - nor stalinkas (not that those were all that prolific comparably though). It's a limited measurement, obviously USSR social housing policies do not compare to the US, but the initial suggestion was specifically about rapidly-constructed slab concrete buildings and nothing typifies that better than a Khrushchevka. If you have a better source I'd love to see it, I approximated that off the average apartment size of 46m and the total constructed of 2,900,000,000 sq m, which is the best approximation I could get from the wikipedia sources and I may well be missing some reports.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The many recent examples of mucipalities and states passing regulatory policies to improve rent under capitalism

Can you tell me generally big examples of places where this has happened and things have gotten better? As a European, the only cases I know of are the Berlin referenda for rent caps and expropriation, and both have had no lasting effect because higher courts have sabotaged them and declared them illegal (I don't understand how a referendum can be illegal).

the total constructed of 2,900,000,000 sq m

Are you sure this is flat-area and doesn't need to get multiplied by number of flats per building?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Can you tell me generally big examples of places where this has happened and things have gotten better?

That's a really specific request, but sure: Vancouver empty home tax, California Tenant Rent Cap.

Are you sure this is flat-area and doesn’t need to get multiplied by number of flats per building?

As far as I can tell this number is accurate, again if you can find a better (or more clear) source than what's given on wikipedia I welcome it since this is a composite number pulled from housing reports originally written in a language in which I am functionally illiterate (and can only barely speak) (so I'm relying heavily on the translations since I cannot go and find the primary sources)