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[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not an anarchist, but a lot of people here are misrepresenting anarchism. Anarchists don't reject coordination or planning, only hierarchical state control. Large infrastructure would be built by federated councils, unions, and communes, with common plans and technical bodies coordinated by accountable, recallable delegates. Central coordination without a state hierarchy is entirely possible.

My disagreement with anarchism is different: I think only a state with a strong coercive apparatus can survive sustained imperial pressure and capitalist encirclement.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Central coordination without a state hierarchy is entirely possible.

Its not a state, its a insert extremely convoluted term that does everything a state does

These gentlemen think when they have changed the names of things, they have changed the things themselves. That is how these profound thinkers mock the whole world.

  • Engels
[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

In fairness, a lot of socialist theory has a distinction between a "state" and a "government". The former is the repressive apparatus (police, army and ideological state aparatuses) and the latter consists of the civilian administration which deals with centralised organisation of labor/economy. This is why marx could describe a "stateless society" as developed-communism.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

But in that case we again land on square one problem of pushing the communism button instantly.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

Yeah. I'm an ML

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

And if inevitably the projects reach outside of the commune line into another commune line, how would the intercommunal council be called lol. At what point do you just have a state without calling it a state?

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

You can call a federation of communes a "state" if you want. Anarchists are not against this kind of "state". As long as power flows bottom-up by delegation and recall.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds a lot like democratic centralism.

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The "delegation and recall" part of it? Totally! The "vanguard party" and "DotP" parts? Not so much.

[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Lol then I'll ask the age old question of how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? How do you stop the systemic issue of racism without an actual system to suppress it? That was the chief reason as to why I thought anarchism was silly.

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP?

This is literally what I wrote in my first comment:

My disagreement with anarchism is different: I think only a state with a strong coercive apparatus can survive sustained imperial pressure and capitalist encirclement.

[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 36 minutes ago

Why not just be an ML at that point, you're already like 75% there lmao

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

sorry i'm not good at telling tone and maybe i'm just not smart and not proficient at theory but is this not like the soviet system

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Early Soviets maybe, before war communism, for like less than a year... There was a reason anarchists tried to assassinate Lenin as a counterrevolutionary.

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

mmm yeah thats true but either way the idea of from the bottom going to top governance is something characteristic of most AES innit? genuine question

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 hours ago