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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 15 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

France has horrible laws for encryption, so how much do you want to bet this thing doesn't have e2ee.

This is an Intel operation

[–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Its FOSS (or I guess FLOSS for this case since they are French lol), meaning it doesn't matter if the people creating the app are "good" or "bad" actors. A "good" actor can always create a fork or host their own instance.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

French people are literally not able to fork it and add e2ee without the government's permission.

France requires government approval for exporting any software with crypto

[–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Source? I see the repo as MIT licensed so I don't see why forking it and hosting our own instance would be a problem.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Zoom has poor encryption. I have seen targeted ads a day after discussing very specific chemical reagents on zoom.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 13 points 18 hours ago

Zoom, Teams, Meet, and all the major providers do not have e2ee on by default. It's a paid extra and almost nobody turns it on.

Mega uses e2ee by default, and it cannot be turned off.

[–] mko@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 15 hours ago

I’m not convinced Zoom doesn’t just sell your contact information to third parties.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, it was definitely that and not all the web browsing and searching you and your colleague did before, during, and after the meeting, and the meeting notes you sent over gmail/microsoft mail. 🙄

[–] evol@lemmy.today 3 points 15 hours ago

We like to think EU abandoning tech companies will create a new privacy FOSS ecosystem, when in reality they will likely just recreate their own Tech corps like China and US now that they have skin in the game

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

This tool is developed for France's administration, not for the public. They host the servers. So I don't think e2ee is indeed a requirement.

[–] curious_dolphin@slrpnk.net 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Shouldn't it be the other way around? I'd expect e2ee to be a requirement for anything for the administration even if their laws are a little funky (rules for thee not for me, etc).

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago
  1. A tool used by a state employer only wouldn't need e2ee, since they hold all the servers.
  2. The French government has long been trying to make encryption in use by its citizens inspectable by them (the French government)
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 17 hours ago

Still a threat to themselves lol

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 18 hours ago

This wasn't built to be a great service, it was built to be a French controlled one.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 1 points 15 hours ago

End-to-end encryption (coming soon)

I hope they do work on e2ee and they it will indeed come soon.

[–] ouille@jlai.lu 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 18 hours ago

France requires companies to get permission to export cryptography. They're one of the worst countries in Europe for crypto.

https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/encryption-laws/