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Vegans have the worst PR department ever
I’ve never encountered a group I mostly agree with that I want to avoid more
I've been a strict Vegan for over a decade now and even i tend to stay away from the crowd. It's a bit better offline, but depends on how much any person needs to boost their ego by signaling moral pureness.
I'm a bacontarian like in the image, but I love sharing recipes with all folks. This works even for the hardcore vegans.
Baconarian?
The word you are looking for is Murderer, obviously 😉
But honestly, cutting out animal products helps animals, so thanks for that. Should it be all animal products? I'd say yes and live accordingly, but i can accept that other people arrive at other points.
And yes, I know. I try to only eat suicidal animals, because I'm a good human!
My initial goal with switching more and more things to vegan was to reduce my ecological footprint.
For the animal products I still consume, I try to buy the fairest and highest quality available. If I'm responsible for their end, the life they had should at least be somewhat pleasant. But I guess they would prefer not to be eaten at all.
no, it doesn't.
this is stated without any supporting evidence, and can be dismissed without any evidence.
oh, here you go
Cool, a graph showing that Chinas wealth has increased since the 60s.
Wanna try again?
make any excuse you want: being vegan hasn't stopped any animal from being killed
I have friends that have saved several wild dogs and cats while on holiday, because of the compassion they developed for animals since becoming Vegans.
So your totalitarian claim is wrong right away.
If you look at Europe, eating less meat seems to impact the industry.
The AGI is hardly an activist organisation, so i'd wager that they are not biased here.
Since eating habits in many countries that are slowly closing the gap to western countries are changing from vegetarian to more meat, the global data is obscured a lot.
But the logic of vegetarians and vegans not buying meat and an ever rising number of plant based alternatives consumed even by people, who are only looking for a reduction in meat consumption, seems clear to me.
none of this changes the fact that more meat is produced every year.
just eating beans doesn't help animals. you need to go to where the animals are and help them
I'm just, in this moment, testing a new oat milk, and thus far I like it. It's a worthy contender against Oatly Barista
I don't know your options, but my work uses milk lab for speciality milks and the oat milk is good in my opinion. Well, good in coffee. I don't know how that translates to other uses.
I'm in Germany and the options are, well, not limited, but the quality varies a lot. Currently I'm testing a band from Lidl, because I was too late to drop into Aldi yesterday.
I'm in the exact same boat - I'm grateful that the person who introduced me to it never forced it on me, they obviously would cook vegan meals for both of us when I'd visit his house but that was pretty much the only exposure they gave me.
When I started looking more into it and taking it on, they were obviously very supportive and I intend to do just that in my own life - people know I'm vegan eventually just from seeing the meals I eat and eventually asking, but I don't mention it otherwise.
I think this can be said about a lot of the groups focused on some ethical viewpoint. They come out with a lot of rage, which might be justified for their viewpoint but does more to generate opposition than support. One of those "you might be right but you're still an asshole" situations even for those who agree with them, but the type that provokes "you don't like that I do this, eh? Well I'm going to do it even more because I don't like you and I want to upset you" kind of responses in those who don't agree.
Doctor Who fans circa 15 years ago. I enjoyed the show for a while after the reboot. They were insufferable and I stopped watching at some point.
You know, that's what they act like come to think of it. A toxic fandom. They've got something good that I occasionally enjoy. But I'm not as into as they are so I'm not welcome. And that's fine. With Doctor Who I just stopped. With veganism I'll make myself some cool ass meals and never share the recipes.
If there's one group I hate serving more as a waiter, it's vegans
Every other dietary will put in their booking their dietary in order to allow the chefs time to prepare them something pre service (we usually run a chef's choice menu, set items)
Even FODMAP, arguably one of the most confusing dietaries, isn't this bad at it. But vegans will almost always show up unannounced and expect to be fed when the only item on the menu that's normally vegan is the bloody bread
If it's bloody, the bread probably isn't vegan either.