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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are not made specifically to make chicken addicted. Some companies did, but vaping itself wasn't made to get children addicted... It is addictive, and not as smelly, and doesn't make you cough your tar covered lungs out, so kids who can get their hands on them get addicted.

Kids will still get them, but now they'll have more questionable ingredients, they'll be more expensive, and they'll be funding organized crime. Good job government.

Teach your kids about the importance of saying no, and let them make their own mistakes every now and then. Vaping is hardly the worst thing they can get hooked on.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

"think of the chicken"

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From what I've read, there are 2 chemical-kinds of nicotene, 1 of which is called "freebase" nicotene, which hits quicker, & therefore is more addictive.

Yes, cigarette-tobacco has been bred ( if not engineered ) to increase the freebase nicotene ( can't remember which company it was that got caught on that, their actions demonstrating that it's a drug they were optimizing-for ),

& vape-companies intentionally engineer their products to be as addictive as they can be.

Children don't have fully-myelated-brains ( until about 21, which is why outlawing drinking until 21 so drastically reduces slaughter of lives on the roads ), & holding that they just have to "be more adult" when their brains literally can't be, is either denial or machiavellianism ( depends on the person's motivation ), AND victim-blaming, in my view.


What Mexico's doing, effectively, is GIVING a chunk of their economy to the drug-cartels.

Which is idiocy.

Decriminalize everything, tax it to death, do whatever, but we need to be gutting, not increasing, organized-crime's economy.


Nicotene kills the nervous-system of the gut, & it's likely doing the same kind of damage to the rest of the nervous-system ( Dr. Gershon's incorrectly-named book "The Second Brain", about the nervous-system of the gut, which is the original brain! )


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[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Nicotine is actually quite good for the stomach. Doctors used to prescribe cigarettes for IBS way back.

That was the one thing I never expected from quitting cigarettes

My IBS, and my GERD has gotten so much worse and the options for treatment are all worse that vaping made me feel.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Freebase was the standard in Vapes for many years. Vaping liquids with freebase nicotine will keep your nic level up for the day. There is not a kick involved. This is different with nic salts. They behave like the nicotine in cigarettes.

Also current vapes have a much higher percentage of nicotine. When I vaped (comming from smoking), I mixed my liquids with 6 mg/ml. I think the standard today is 20 mg/ml. That is the reason, kids like them. Not the taste. You have much smaller clouds, than in the previous generations, but the high doses of nic salt give you a real nice kick.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Also current vapes have a much higher percentage of nicotine. When I vaped (comming from smoking), I mixed my liquids with 6 mg/ml. I think the standard today is 20 mg/ml.

Ehhh kinda. First of all when I started in like what 2012 using Kangertech pods and sticks, the vaporblunt brand liquid we were buying came in 0, 3, 6, 12, and 24mg options, and that was freebase liquid in the early days. Then mods came out and you didn't need that high (and it would hurt lol) so most liquids were sold in 0 (sometimes, but it started falling off), 3, and 6mg options. Then salt nic came out, but due to being absorbed differently by the body and consumers mostly not wanting to use sub-ohm mods instead opting for smaller devices ~1.6ohms, the nic contents went back up (as high as 50mg, actually), but since it's salt not freebase and something about the absorption and the amount of smoke difference from .1ohm to 1.6ohm it sort of evens out. ~45-50mg is still a little more iirc than say sub-ohm dripping a 3mg freebase, but not as wild as it sounds.

I make my own juice anyway at 4mg freebase.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, 50 mg/ml is wild. I am out of the game now for a while, I am Vape and smoke free for nearly two years now. Maybe those 20 mg/ml are/were a german thing.

Here we had restrictions (and high taxes) for some years now and you only could buy nicotine liquids in 10 ml portions with max 20 mg/ml. So for some time we bought 1 liter of 0 mg base and mixed it with the small 20 mg packages and flavour.

I tried those nic salt vape pens a few times and while you are probably right and the nicotine level in the body doesn't differ wildly, I always experienced a hefty buzz from that.

But maybe that was the result of me trying to suck on those pens like on my Dead Rabbit SQ RDA. 🤷

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah but honestly not that wild due to how it gets absorbed and how little vapor you get. Not for me but y'know to each their own, I'm already on the other end of the nic spectrum myself anyway.

Yeah you definitely can get a buzz easier from salts especially using a dripper haha, they're meant for like Juuls lmao. That's intense!