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I'm not condoning violence nor is this a call to action, god forbid(got banned from reddit for "violence" against AI by the modbot lmao), but it'd be a darn shame- a tragedy rather- if someone stood up to ICE with the same force they've been using.
This is why the 2nd amendment exists. This right here. I bet most those plate carriers aren't even stuffed with plates with all the new agents wearing them because there'd be a shortage. Either way, we outnumber all those agents, and all it takes is meeting force with force! I'm also pretty sure all video evidence would be quickly deleted by bystanders lol.
Again, a real shame... But it's coming sooner rather than later.
People who encourage others to use the 2nd Amendment as the first and only form of resistance -and it's the only suggestion they offer are sus as hell. So far, solidarity in communication, monitoring, coordination, protests, ostracizing ICE agents from businesses and friends/family, general strike threats, etc have stopped several of their attempted kidnappings. That's our true power: strength in numbers. An honest person would say 2nd Amendment rights are just one of the tools we have available...
I never said first, nor only.. Just pointing out that we outnumber them, we have the ability to meet force with force, and they'd quickly be discouraged from wanting to go back to work for fear of violence against them.
They need to know we're not weak, and that is why I think, that they think they can do what they want and get away with it. They're the wasps and we're the bees. They're only going to get away if so much until we have no other choice!
Nope. They'd go in harder and faster and likely shoot first.
A flash-bang can really spruce up a room.
I hear people say that's what ICE and Trump want to happen, so they can ramp up the violence even further.
I think Americans should sabotage ICE. They're apparently hiring anyone with a pulse, so why not apply and be an absolutely useless agent? Waste their fucking budget, guys. But I'm commenting from the safety of not-USA so grain of salt and all that.
On the one hand, sure, it would give the administration an "excuse" to escalate still further.
On the other hand, who are we kidding? They're not going to stop escalating no matter what. There's no point in trying to appease fascists. They'll take whatever excuse, no matter how flimsy, whenever they feel like it regardless. That's how we got here.
When can the military steps in to defend us from threats - mainly domestic- namely being Trump's absolute abuse of power?!
I think property damage and sabotage of equipment is valid.
However, with how their propaganda is, they equate property damage with violence.
And I think we, as a country, need to realign our views on that. Property damage is not violence. Violence is harm to an individual. To a person. Not economic damage, but actual physical health damage.
They will respond with violence to property damage. And that needs to be fought.
So if their cars have tires slashed, windshields broken, it's not violence.
If they are blocked on the street and can't drive down it. It's not violence.
Tear gas and "less-than-lethals" are violence.
They have been violent to us, the people. Exclusively.
Yeah. It's the same playbook used to great effect in a certain Middle-Eastern conflict.
As for the "accidental" sabotage, I can't imagine they'd be very ... charitable ... to that sort of agent, especially if there's the vaguest whiff that they might be doing so on purpose. Stomp stomp stomp, etc.
There are fates worse than death. Civil disobedience and nuisance is the only way. Make them absolutely loathe every moment they're on duty so they don't want to go back to work.
Half the job at ICE is to stand around as a deterrent. It's hard to sabotage "go here and exist".
I made a joke recently that if I were desperate for a job I’d get hired as ICE and quit right after training. But then I realized I might spend more time filling out some of the application, failing the drug test, and attending a 6-minute long interview than I would spend in training before they tried to make me do evil shit. I’d have to quit before I got my ROI.
We need people to dress up as ICE and harass rich people and businesses. Maybe rob a couple BOA or something. Bet you would see changes fast.
That's funny! I've thought about that too. Since most of them won't have ID or any way to show who they are, you'd blend in
I feel like the administration has been trying to provoke violent retaliation against ICE and keep being disappointed that the only deaths are from the other side.
All it takes? Go get your gun and get out there then. It’s easier said than done for a lot of Americans
The problem is your 14th amendment.