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The Arab states have tried many times (1948, 1967, 1973) for decades to fight Israel directly and indirectly without success.
Jordan and Lebanon received huge problems with Palestinian militants inside their borders (Black September, Lebanese Civil War). Palestinians in Kuwait supported the invasion by Saddam Hussein. So after spilling a lot of their own blood and receiving turmoil at home, they chose it’s not a worthwhile or winnable fight.
Prince Bandar gives his perspective on his frustrations with Arafat in this interview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idJx1bB30EM The Saudis spent a lot of money and political capital to get to peace talks, only for Arafat to refuse the deals offered.
Many Arab rulers like Egypt are internally threatened by Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood, which Hamas is an offshoot from. Hamas, Hezbollah, and their allies are seen as threats to their own power.
Supporting the Palestinian cause has become a losing proposition. Even more evident now that Al Assad in Syria lost power and the Iranian regime got a bloody nose.
Lose wars against Israel and threaten your own power domestically is just a bad proposition.
Palestine isn’t even the worst place to be in the Middle East. Syria over the last decade plus and Yemen, Sudan are drowning in war, death, famine, genocide happening. Palestinians have an above average living standard, education, and life expectancy for the region.
Squashing an uppity group brutally with force is just another Tuesday for the Middle East.
The biggest crime in this war, that nobody talks about, has been Egypt keeping the border closed to refugees. No other warzone doesn’t let refugees leave. This has contributed immensely to suffering and death inside Gaza. Egypt does this because it doesn’t want Hamas inside its borders. There are already terrorist groups active in the Sinai. The Muslim Brotherhood is the enemy of the current government. Hamas is both of these.
The question is also how much did the Palestinians fuck up to make their Arab neighbor Egypt their enemy.
That said the oil rich Arab countries do a lot for Palestinians, including humanitarian spending. The UAE does a lot of that for example. Otoh Qatar supports the militant resistance by hosting Hamas leadership and have Al Jazeera run propaganda supporting them.
In the current Gaza war Hamas had military support from the Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Iran, Iraqi militias, Assad’s Syria. Israel called this the seven front war. https://msi2.substack.com/p/the-seven-front-war-how-israel-rewrote
Israel won against all of these enemies decisively. Picking the Palestinians has been picking the losing side for decades.
that's a whole load of words to victim blame and say the Palestinians brought this upon themselves and that they deserve everything they've gotten and that it could be worse since their main "allies" are doing "worse" genocides in other countries so they should feel lucky...
The person answered a question with the history. History is depressing as shit get used to it.
The question was why there’s not more support by Arabs and I gave an answer based in historical fact. I even provided a link to an interview with a very respected Arab leader making similar remarks.
Palestinians deserve a dignified life in prosperity and a future. Their political leadership and allies have failed the Palestinian people repeatedly.
Palestinians are mostly used as political pawns and symbols by their supporters abroad. Improving the actual lives of Palestinians is an afterthought. Fighting Israel takes precedent over fighting for Palestinians.
Palestinians are oppressed by Israel, the Palestinian authority police state, Hamas’ brutal Islamist regime, kept as eternal refugees by Arab host countries their grandparents were born in. UNRWA‘s mission and definition of refugee is markedly different from the UNHCR, keeping Palestinians stateless and without rights. Millions of people fled in the 1940s around the world. They found new homes, settled elsewhere, built lives, and their grandchildren live a good life. Palestinians are the only refugees this future was denied.
Western pro Palestine activists repeat the falsehoods and incitement of Hamas. Even there the voices of moderate Palestinians are shouted down and marginalized. Palestinians don’t have free speech under the PA nor Hamas. Their supporters in the west call for more violence (intifada) and war (destroy Israel). That path of failure has caused immense suffering for Palestinians.
Palestinians are in a terrible situation and have the worst supporters. It’s heartbreaking, really. They deserve better.
You purposely conflate Arab leaders with Arab population . The majority of the arab population support Palestine . You blame everything on "terrorist" organization to justify leaders inactions when we all know that the reason they no longer care is that the usa bought it support with military and economical support. Israel openly allude that that they control the open and closing of thee rafah border. Morsi was easing up the border control and that's the reason the usa organized a coup to oust him
See it is not khamas or khizbollah who are considered the biggest threat
Funny how you also omit the atrocities made by Israeli backed militant in Lebanon civil war
The intifada was a Palestinian rights protest that started peacefully than Israel start shooting people. Israel is fully responsible for all the violent on both side that happened afterwar.
And by war we mean fighting for liberation of Palestine then create either a two state or one state where everybody live peacefully .
Israel is the one currently destroying everything and trying to exterminate Palestinians why don't you admit it instead of both siding. Why can't you say simple that you support after the liberation of Palestine to held accountable war criminals from both side
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/arab-public-opinion-about-israels-war-on-gaza/#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+results+indicate+that+the%2Cthan+90%25+of+respondents+agreed.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/what-behind-egypts-inaction-over-gaza-slaughter
Israel does plenty of bad things including to Palestinians.
However the political reality and history of the region is more complex than “Israel evil”.
Of course the Arab public blames the USA and Israel for everything bad. You can also look up what conspiracy theories are popular in the Arab world and you will see how much validity public opinion has. Blaming Israel and the USA (and the west) for every failure has been a goto for political and religious leaders for more than a hundred years. It’s the whole basis of Muslim brother type Islamism for example.
Let’s look at some facts though. Islamists and secular dictators in the region have killed far more people than Israel.
Let’s look at a different poll by PCPSR on Palestinians.
The first Intifada was a civil uprising and mostly peaceful and limited violence protest. It was lead by local leaders.
Then the PLO, who want languishing in exile, was brought in by Israel in a chance to seek a peaceful settlement. Oslo was a step in the right direction. The peace deals were rejected by Arafat.
Afterwards the second intifada started, which was very different from the first with far for violence and cruelty. The second intifada happened at a point in time when the peace camp in Israel was the strongest it ever was. As a consequence the Israeli electorate decided it was a failure and moved on to vote for right wingers promising security. Unilateral withdrawal from Gaza and a number of settlements followed.
Palestinians deserve better treatment by Israel and they deserve better leaders, that can see beyond eternal resistance and their personal enrichment.
Israel is the occupier it do bad things because the state has a supremacist ideology and want all Palestinians expulsed or killed . Occupied people do atrocities as an retaliation to occupations . Once Palestinians are liberated they will live peacefully with their Israelis
The political reality and history of the region is as simple as Israel is evil based on facts I mentioned in the other comment
That's what happen when you are oppressed for 80 goddamn year where israel is continuing the theft of land and want to exterminate Palestinians . Netanyahu said it pretty clearly there will never be a Palestinian state because the land is our and he compared Palestinians to Amalek there is no more clear intention of extermination not just genocide than that even Hitler was using better euphemism to deflect from the fact that he wanted to exterminate jews
You are just a racist . Of course arabs did kill ton of people in history but it is nothing compared to the west and europe . The USA and Israel is to blame from settler colonialism and genocide . If we talk about who is the most responsible of death of people in history it is Europe. British in India alone are responsible for about 60 to 100 millions death. World war 1 and 2 happened because of European imperialist and colonialism ideology . Nazis was also Europeans. Almost every western intervention resulted to mass muder or civil wars
If you want the conspiracy to be limited you should ask for unconditional end of the occupation . Yo can't be really anti islamists while at the same time supporting Jewish supremacy which do not represent all jews
At the end of the day there is nothing that justify settler colonialism and genocide that Israel is doing
Why do you always lie ? Arafat accepted Oslo accords, recognized Israel and rejected armed resistance. He rejected Camp David because all Palestinians rights given by international laws was not addressed . Blaming Arafat is like blaming Zelensky for refusing to give up lands to Russia .
Even former Israeli prime minister admitted camp David was a bad deal . If I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well - SHLOMO BEN-AMI
What Palestinian rights by international law do you mean? UNSC resolution 242 doesn’t grant the so called „right of return“ to all descendants of Palestinians for example.
There were numerous rejections of peace deals by Palestinians and Arabs. Peel commission, UN Portion Plan of 1948, Khartoum resolution, Camp David, Taba, and others.
Yes, Arafat accepted Oslo. It was his big comeback from exile in Tunis snd irrelevance.
The Oslo accords were the only time something positive was achieved for Palestinians. Yes, they were limited, but also only meant to provide a transition for a few years.
The reasons Arafat and later Abbas didn’t agree to one of the deals offered over the years were fear of losing power and waiting for a better offer down the line. The better offer came, but internal Palestinian political opposition (Hamas) grew stronger.
The outcome was an ever worsening condition for Palestinians in many ways. Being uncompromising has cost them dearly.
Israel should end the occupation of the West Bank and settlements. However they have legitimate security interests. Israel needs a neighbor that agrees to peace and non aggression. Leaving unilaterally hasn’t worked in Gaza. At the moment Israelis don‘t see a chance for this. October 7th has diminished the small peace camp further.
Palestinian political leadership has been deeply divided for decades now. There’s no good vision, only eternal violent struggle and uncompromising demands. You have to understand that for many Palestinians „the occupation“ means all of Israel, not just West Bank and Gaza. This is a fight they have been losing for 100 years and will continue to do so. Coexistence is the only way forward.
More Palestinians have died in Gaza, than all deaths combined (including Israel‘s) over the last 100 years before. Gaza had an operational international airport with construction of a harbor underway, was ruled by Palestinians, no IDF presence in the late 1990s. Arafat decided to throw all that away when he launched the second intifada. Just because he wasn’t able to compromise and sell that to his people.
The comparison to Ukraine and Zelenskyy is weak because the situation is so different. Ukraine hasn’t lost the war yet, but is holding on. For how many years that’s worth doing is a good question.
UN General Assembly Resolution 194 give Palestinians that right . Funny how Palestinian right of return is your problem rather than Israel Law of return which allow any Jewish person, their children, grandchildren, and spouses to move to Israel and become citizens and even to occupied land.
Not a single one granted all right international laws give them. East Jerusalem, all of the west bank and gaza are considered Palestinians , the right to have an army to defend itself and the full sovereignty of the part. Arafat refused for that reason not the bullshit you are saying
They don't the end of occupation is unconditional. Israel as the settler colonial power and military superiority do not need any security guarantees. It is Palestinians who should have the right to security guarantees
Every single death in Gaza is israel responsibility as the settler colonial power . It is some twisted logic that israel can destroy that Airport just because of the second intifada which also started because of Israel refusing to give all Palestinians right back under international law . The biggest victims of the second intifada is again Palestinians . Israel used human shield during the second intifada and deliberately killed innocent civilians.
Israel has severe restrictions seven in the 90's on Gaza
Your logic is weak and scummy. Ukraine is the occupied , Palestinians is the occupied. Russia is the settler colonial power , israel is the settler colonial power . It is exactly the same goddamn thing. Even Israel and Russia rhetoric are the same bullshit : the security excuse while continuing building colonies in the west bank and Crimea, the idea that Ukrainians and Palestinians distinct identity do not exists etc
When someone lose the war international laws do not grant sovereignty over those land to the winner even if the loser started it and international laws grant right to resistance to the occupied and by resistance I do not mean killing innocent civilians unlike you who use excuses to justify Palestinians mass murder , genocide and settler colonialism
you mean the guy who was caught taking £1bn in bribes from BAE for the Al-Yamamah arms deal? the guy who reportedly funded Fatah al-Islam terrorists in Lebanon? the saudi intelligence chief nicknamed "Bandar Bush" because he was so deep in the pockets of the American war machine? that's your credible source on Palestinian leadership failures?
sorry I don't have time to go point by point why you've presented a very one sided story that conveniently omits the main reason why Arab states feel reluctant to support the Palestinians - the fact they'll have to go against the US empire and its buddies which economically and militarily outcompete them - your posturing around how its the Palestinian authorities fault they can't have allies under an active occupation turned genocide just shrugs away responsibility from the ones that have real power onto those that have extremely limited options of resistance.
You are forgetting 1948, 67, 73 when lots of Arab countries waged large scale war against Israel. There was even a huge oil embargo in the 1970s by Arabs against the West, causing huge economic turmoil.
Of course having a good relationship to the US is important to many countries. It’s very beneficial to them. However those governments opposed to the US aren’t particularly great for their population either.
There’s certainly no lack of bad regimes in the Middle East. Bribes and arms deals are just how business is done there.
Regarding Prince Bandar and Saudi policies in the region. Saddam’s Iraq became an enemy with his invasion of Kuwait. Iraq had been a regional rival to the Saudis even back to the time it had a Hashemite king. The Hashemite and Saudi clans are old rivals for power in the region. Saudis have their own interests in the region. Iran is a regional rival for example and their Islamist ideology a direct threat to the kingdom. Yes, Saudis have played some stupid games with spreading Wahhabism and supporting Islamists militias against other governments in the region. Of course the Saudis prioritize their own interests above the Palestinian cause. They have been a big supporter historically both financially and politically.
I really recommend you watch the interview to hear another perspective and his personal interactions with Arafat during the peace process.
Also Palestinians have agency and have influenced the history of the region significantly since 1948. It’s patronizing to see them only as victims.
after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Ben Gurion
No wonder arabs was trying to stop the occupation plan from the start
Arab leaders were promising massacres and ethnic cleansing of the Jews from Palestine in the wake of the war. “Throw them back int the sea.”
Jews in nascent Israel at that time was mostly refugees from Europe, but also Yemen for example. They didn’t have any other place to go to. Nobody wanted them. For them it was fight for their lives or be killed.
Remember that Jews were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem. Jerusalem had been majority Jewish for decades and some of the oldest Jewish quarters were in the Eastern part.
After the war was won by Israel. 800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab and Muslim countries and mostly went to Israel. Adding more Jews to the land with no other place to go to.
It’s a pretty shit situation overall and was from the beginning.
Why did Arab not ethnically cleansed jews from their countries until Israel ethnically cleansed Palestine from where Israel was created? Because Arabs did not have a problem with jews they have a problem with Zionist who came under pretext of being refuges just to reveal after that that they . You keep removing important fact to make Israel look better. Why did you not mention the nekba?
Why don't you mention that zionists also admited to want the whole land?
after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - The terrorist and first prime minister of Israel Ben Gurion