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[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We see from the failures of the USSR's socialist state-building attempts after WW2 that unless the people of a country fought and built their socialist system themselves, they will be more susceptible to counter-revolutionary ideas that things could be done some "nebulous better way".

This is a big reason why you see so many Eastern European dumbasses who think that everything wrong with their lives is due to the Soviet Union, forgetting that they were all shithole countries before the Soviet Union built them up.

Research shows that people put more pride and value in something they build themselves, termed the IKEA effect. The same seems true of governance systems.

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sure there's truths to that, but I'd just like to say that it was not a shithole for everyone, it was a shithole for the working peasants, the fascists quite liked the arrangement they had going.

In fact they're quite happy to turn my birthplace into overexploited shithole again. The only reason we haven't collapsed yet is because Brussels sometimes subsidizes and how are we supposed to become independent now?

I am wondering how much of this drive for Nationalism is the tendency of history to over-correct itself, like how is it even going to work? We all agree to just stay within our own borders and I'm supposed to believe that my neighboring capitalist nations will just watch a socialist revolution going on and be like: "Heh I won't send in some death squads to help squash that."

But I'm ngl I don't see a way out of this. I think someone bigger is eventually just going to shallow us. I have been trying to find a more appealing proposal for the locals, but everything is either a horror show, slow death or idealistic dreams.

[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Depends on how small the Eastern European countries you're referring to are.

I personally believe that any country with a population under 80 million people is essentially irrelevant in global politics barring specific circumstances, and should probably merge with its neighbors to get more leverage for development.

I've written earlier that:

Countries <80 million have markets that are too miniscule to be good bargaining chips when negotiating with capitalist companies, unfortunately eliminating the option of pressuring foreign companies into technology transfer agreements ala China. This hurts their industrial and technological growth, placing them at the mercy of larger countries' tech.

Countries that small also do not have enough workforce and internal market to foster vibrant, holistic domestic industry on their own. There simply is not enough money or workforce to cultivate the funds necessary to conduct advanced R&D to continuously keep up with the world in all aspects of industry. Oftentimes, this forces small countries to import most of their manufactured goods.

Lastly, countries that small also do not have enough money or workforce to build up militaries strong enough to go toe to toe against 100+ million population countries. While they may be strong enough to defend the country itself, they are not able to be expeditionary and act on geopolitical objectives abroad. If under threat, small countries ultimately have to seek protection from allied larger countries, again jeopardising sovereignty.

For these reasons, it is imperative for small countries to form unions to get to ~100 million population. At that size, they have the weight to push for industrial development and geopolitical interests.

Some countries are already doing this. Mali, Niger, and Burkina Faso have formed the Alliance of Sahel States, with a total population of 71 million, for the express purpose of establishing a common market, industrialization, military cooperation, and eventually unifying into a single sovereign state.

Of course, merging into larger states is unlikely to happen under bourgeois control because national bourgeoisies like to enjoy the minor insignificant spoil of leading a tiny country rather than joining up for the greater good. Also, Western capitalist powers enjoy the ease of pushing around these tiny countries, which might become harder to push around if they merged into larger collectives.

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 3 points 21 hours ago

Yeah I suppose that's the crux of communism, it's a David vs Goliath scenario and even though a better version of USSR seems like an impossibility to me, that's probably where we'll end up and I'm sure it won't be called that and I probably won't get to see it, the more the bourgeoise class weaken the more room I have to breathe.

There's just this voice inside me telling me we'll suffer the same fate as the Spartacus league and that's the decent outcome, which just honestly really sucks even if it's inevitable and nothing can be done. Damn nato and everything they stand for.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah, and that is also why recent Chinese history is a huge part of the education system from a very young age.