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In the face of Trump’s threats, Britain’s best path is clearer than ever: hurry back to Europe
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It's looking pretty grim at the moment isn't it? I'd like to say it's a no-brainer but there's a lot of ifs and buts to be considered.
Working on the assumption that Trump will remain in power until the end of his term then there's the very real possibility that he will invade Greenland and remove any support for Ukraine. Which will mean Europe will face a war, with no support, on two fronts. A war Europe cannot win. If we join forces with Europe we will be on the losing side and have to face any consequences thereof. It is also looking increasing likely that Farage and his goons will get into power at the next election and our politics will align with the US and Russia. If this all comes to pass then pragmatism says that it might be better to keep our distance from Europe and weather the new world order until either a) the political winds change or b) apocalyptic climate melt down gets us all fighting over guzzeline and Immortan Joe's milkers.
However, what I fucking hope to all that is good and holy will happen is: Trump will be removed from office via due process in the next 6-12 months, America will return to a semblance of normality, renew it's support against Russia and help a newly rearmed Europe force Putin out of Ukraine.
There's also the possibility that Trump will refuse to leave office and America will implode into another civil war, or at least have to refocus resources domestically to attempt to quell a rebellion. In which case all bets are off. I expect Trump would forget Greenland, but might be pragmatic enough to keep supporting Ukraine? Who fucking knows?!
I don't like Starmer, but I do not envy him. His domestic decisions have been fucking awful but I think, diplomatically, he's doing as best anyone could given global politics atm. We should have never left the EU, that much is clear. But whether closer ties with Europe is the best thing for the country is difficult to say with tyrants on both sides and the chance of the next bloke undoing any rebuilding in a couple of years time.
My advice: Start stocking up, learn a practical skill, get involved with your community and be prepared for the worst.
The idea that Russia and the US are going to carve up Europe and leave the UK unmolested because of brexit is borderline delusional, as is the notion that Trump will be removed from office by anything other than too many cheeseburgers. There is no electoral math that would give the Democrats the ability to remove him, and there is no way they will get ~20 Republican Senators to defect.
And if old man time impeaches him, the party is aligned with russia still. It is not turning back, biden was our chance to save what remains of liberal democracy and we squandered it.
The party is behind this new aggressive military operations. If anything it is worse with new leaders as the current one is imcompetent and mentally challenged.
The party isn't "aligned with Russia" and neither is Trump. That's a bunch of conspiratorial nonsense.
Russia had/has an interest in the Republicans and especially Trump holding power, and they act on it, but only because of how bad they are for America in general.
Trump aligns with whomever last complimented him on how shiny and gold his asshole tastes, and it lasts until the next guy rolls out their tongue.
Biden wasn't our last chance, Bernie was.
Maybe 5 years ago that would sell to the sheep better. Now? Ha. He's blowing up nato in the only way he possibly could or trying to, and floating increasing military spending to make up for what europe buys to help sell it.
If you actually believe that is a "conspiracy," that isn't true, I've an exciting investment opportunity for ya, sucka.
Blaming Russia is a coping mechanism that American liberals use to rationalize why their country is doing bad things out in the open.
When their country was doing bad things secretly, the coping mechanism was that “it’s complicated” and that the American empire was slightly less evil than previous empires, and that the idea of just not being an empire was unrealistic.
One day, their coping mechanism will be that [insert atrocity] is “a leftover trump-era policy” that is unrealistic to stop doing immediately and we need to be patient, and that they want to give Greenland back but “it’s complicated”
While true russia is a coping mechanism, and excuse so the establishment doesn't have to take responsibility for running doomed to fail candidates, it's also true Russia is sponsoring the far right, many outright fascists, across the west. To take their counties by elections, and then fix themselves in power. That has been clear for some time, since Russia started loaning money to the national front in france really, well before 2016.
It is a conspiracy to say Russia is allied to the US administration and far right challengers poised to take europe like dominoes just not a false one.
He's also helping Ukraine blow up Russia. Not as the reliable ally Biden was, but not in a "doing Putin's bidding" way either. Now he's capturing oil tankers from Russia's oil fleet.
Trump has always hated NATO.
He has always been in bed with the russian mob, that is directed by the fsb too. It's not much of a secret, denying it at this point just shows that you are susceptible to believing suits lying to your face.
/looks around
Who's denying it? American criminal organizations have always had ties to criminal organizations everywhere, and the same is true of intelligence organizations. That's not even interesting, and it's not "alignment".
The president is an asset of russian intelligence. And even moreso to Israeli intelligence.
To deny that at this point is just, wow.
Yes, organized crime is vulnerable to intelligence agencies using them. The president was compromised by the Russian mob, and by extension the fsb, decades back. They are great pals.
You never answered my question, so I'll make it more pointed. Why is Trump providing Ukraine with intelligence for targeting Russian energy infrastructure? Intelligence that Biden refused to provide BTW.
You think because he didn't upend tens of billions of dollars contracts and agreements of cooperation that is proof?
Blowing up Nato is something he doesn't have the juice to do, not the least as the party is trying to use the military to ghettoize america like palestine. So he is doing the rah rah greenland to whip up a patriotic fervor to get the support to do it, which he might not get.
This president can't cross the military, or the contractors. I'm surprised you see a stated disagreement with russia and take that for evidence they are not in league despite you know, things.
OK, so you don't have an answer or can't be bothered to read the entire question. Trump has gone beyond what Biden did. I'm done with your bad faith bullshit.
As I said, the US president does not have the juice to upend everything day one. Hence greenland to pull out of nato.
As if he had the support in that community that he needs as much as any for the party's plans, to upset them like that. Your question is rather foolish to be perfectly frank.
He didn't have the juice to not do something for Ukraine that Biden didn't do either? Fuck off moron.
So say we all, but the midterm elections in November would have to be unbelievably successful for the Democrats to take power from trump, and even then I don’t know if enough Senate seats are up for that chamber to even do the needful should the Dems win them all.
I’d say the smarter money is on his various physical ailments limiting his potential damage, ideally completely. But even then we’d have an oligarch’s lapdog running things.
I at least feel confident that one of those things will eventually happen. Hopefully both and then some.
Meanwhile your starmer is cancelling the magna carta without a fight.