Trump and Putin sure, but also everyone whose ever had a leadership role in the USA military. Obama is still alive. Bush is still alive. And ideally to a more trustworthy court.

[–] promitheas@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree, but only one of those 2 countries has proclaimed (in law if im not mistaken, but i may be wrong) that they would intervene militarily to prevent one of their own from being tried by the ICC, regardless of the actual crimes they've committed. And im talking about sending special forces to extract said alleged criminal against humanity, from another sovereign nation, abiding by its own laws.

Guess which of the 2 I'm talking about? Russia is by no means the good guy, but its not a binary issue, as most people on the internet seem to react when these 2 countries are mentioned in the same sentence. Russia being 'bad' doesn't automatically make the US 'good' and vice versa.

Sure, who's worse shifts back and forth over the years, but to my eyes, currently, the US is worse, and its been that way for a long time. Way before trump. Anyone who thinks this all started when trump took office, is a bit deluded.

But you're 100% right, send both of them to the ICC, in an ideal world.

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Calling the court "a pathetic international organization", Dmitry Medvedev, the Deputy Chairman of Russia's Security Council, warned: "Gentlemen, everyone walks under God and missiles. It is quite possible to imagine the targeted use of a hypersonic Onyx missile by a Russian ship in the North Sea strikes in the Hague court building. Unfortunately, it cannot be shot down... So, judges of the court, watch the skies closely."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Russian_leaders#Criticism

Russia’s top investigative body announced Monday that it had opened a “criminal” case against the prosecutor and judges of the International Criminal Court (ICC).

The move comes as part of a concerted effort from Moscow to intimidate the court in the Netherlands, which on Friday issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin over his part in “unlawful” forced deportations of Ukrainian children to Russia.

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev threatened earlier Monday to target the court in The Hague with missile strikes.

https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-russia-icc-criminal-case-moscow-ukraine-war/

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's reasonable to equivocate a former president making a verbal threat, which still sucks, with an actual state apparatus signing it into law

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Both are violent threats. US just used to be more legalistic about this sort of thing. I mean Russia also sentenced the judges in absentia in Russian courts. I don't think you could say they're better.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Better in what way, morally? Morality isn't real and the level of geopolitics is where it's the least real. From a practical, threat assessment standpoint, one of these things is much more urgent and pressing than the other.

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean yeah one of them is right now bombing another European country so Russia is obviously more alarming but the American threat is pretty bad too

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

One of them is currently supplying and abetting a genocide, kidnapping heads of state, shooting people in the street during gestapo raids, disappearing activists to concentration camps, bombing countries on multiple continents, trying to topple the government of Iran and preparing for multiple invasions.

The other is at war with the puppet government of exactly one country, which was committing ethnic cleansing and who we put there as part of our own strategy of aggression.

I know who I consider the bigger threat to peace.

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

For some people the world outside of Europe isn't real, it's insane

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean we were talking abou someone threatening to attack a European county (and one of them is doing that right now...)

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A) Greenland

B) We started the conflict in Ukraine

C) I cannot stress enough how much bombing the Hague is official US policy

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There's no bombing going on in Greenland as far as I know. Lots of bombing going on in Ukraine. If bombing European countries isn't an official Russian policy then they've somehow misshot a lot of missiles.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Oh no, not the sacred European countries! Doesn't Russia know that it's only acceptable to bomb brown people?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

"Russia is more alarming because they're bombing white people, not just subhumans in the global South!"

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nobody mentioned Trump. I am so fucking sick of liberals acting like the US wasn’t constantly attacking other countries before Trump.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fine, let's send every single US president.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

What does that accomplish?

[–] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

I'd be on board.