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literally unusable if you don't want to be seen as an illiterate chatgpt monger. so depressing. I'm tired of using semi colons and commas in their stead, they're just too clunky in certain situations. burn the data centers down. fuck and when all actual writers have switched over, like I have (not calling myself a writer fyi), then the ai will just start using those instead. nothing good comes from generative, recreational ai. opium crisis of our times, no use. genuinely, no use. fuck them all. fuck the child herder elon and his (possibly) bastard son peter thiel. karp fuck you too

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The prescriptions for when you're "supposed" to use one or the other are as follows:

  • A hyphen is for joining words together or indicating that a word has been split in the middle and will continue on the next line.
  • An en dash is for ranges of numbers, or at the start of each item in a list. The en dash is also identical, at least in the font I'm looking at, to the minus sign used in math, as well as to the figure dash used for phone numbers and metrical feet. These symbols have separate Unicode points.
  • An em dash is for a lot of other things, most notably uses similar to a colon or parenthesis, or as a way to show interruption. The em dash is also identical, at least in the font I'm looking at, to the quotation dash, which obviously has a separate Unicode point because we need as many Unicode points dedicated to singular straight horizontal lines as possible.

There are in fact even more horizontal line symbols with Unicode points than even these six.

But I myself never use en dashes: Ranges in numbers get a ~ like in CJK languages; lists get a hyphen or some other symbol; minuses are also hyphens; phone numbers get hyphens or spaces; and I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to write down a metrical foot.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I apparently have always conflated en dashes and hyphens, using what I guess is a minus sign for both: - but that looks like a hyphen to me, so is it not equivalent to the subtraction sign? The layout of my keyboard has it not just next to +/= but also the numpad where a minus should logically go . . .

[–] edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The - seen on most keyboards corresponds to Unicode 002D and is known as the hyphen-minus. It does the duty of hyphen and minus as it's name suggests, and dash in some cases.


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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Venn diagram for this is absurd

[–] edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space 6 points 2 days ago

Welcome to Unicode! Could we interest you in an non-breaking hyphen?


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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The Unicode name for that symbol you typed is actually "hyphen-minus": it's a character created as a compromise in the early days of fixed-width typewriters, which has persisted into the present day as typewriters evolved into modern computer keyboards. The hyphen-minus is identical to a hyphen, which obviously has a separate Unicode point once again, but the hyphen-minus (as the name implies) does double duty as a minus sign as well. It's just that there is technically also a different "proper" minus sign that's a bit wider that you're "supposed" to use "if you can"… I just don't see a reason to bother with it.

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I read all that and understand it, I'm pretty certain.

Still never using anything but a hyphen

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I actually wanted to say I really like your language posts even if I'm a dullard

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been thinking of doing word of the day posts about my conlang lately, I've been writing drafts and all that.

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

I would read them and upbear them evennif i probably wouldn't comment