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My favorite part is where they continue to argue with my banned ass, knowing full well I can't respond. The only way to win for them, I suppose.

Edit: Looks like there was some confusion regarding cross-posting in the original link so I'll just put the Modlog link here that displays the removed comment and ban, with the thread itself linked here. I'd rather add than change for the sake of the post's integrity and preventing confusion.

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[–] Jiggle_Physics@piefed.zip 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

China is persecuting the Uyghurs, they are forcing them into harsh programs to strip them of their non-Chinese cultural aspects. Some academics see this as a type of genocide, as they are effectively erasing a culture/ethnicity. Most feel there has to be a physical displacement, or mass killings in an attempt to destroy their people, to truly qualify for this label. I am on the side of the latter. I can understand the former's argument, but I think cultural erasure, rather than physical displacement/mass killing, should be a separate atrocity. Looking at what OP has been saying, it seems they believe this too.

Only thing I really see on leftist spaces that bothers me, in this arena, is the people who will argue as I do about the Uyghurs, but consider the residential schools of North America a genocide. The natives went through a real genocide, cultural erasure was a clear step back in depravity. An atrocity none-the-less, just not THE atrocity.

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 2 points 20 hours ago

The biggest source on this is Adrian Zenz and the victims of communism memorial.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Anything's possible when you make shit up

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To your point, I do believe cultural erasure is monstrous, but also does pale in comparison to ethnic cleansing. I don't know enough off the top of my head to say anything about residential schools so I'll absent myself from that one for now.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

I'm in Canada, my grandmother was Mi'kmaq, and I agree with the post above.

In Canada, indigenous children were taken from their parents to be given a "proper" education in residential schools, usually against the wishes of the family. Some parents never saw their children again, who where forced to speak english (and/or french,) and stripped of any indigenous cultural practices in favor of modern Christianity. They were even given Christian names. Many kids were tortured, sometimes to death.

I'm just scratching ther surface here as we're still uncovering new atrocities if you follow Canadian news. APTN and Indigenews occasionally write about it and the other bullshit indigenous peoples have survived.

But I agree, that was/is a cultural erasure and not a genocide. You could make comparisons to genocides, including other shit that was done to the OG people here, it's just a different degree of bad.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@piefed.zip 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A friend of mine, back in my school days, is a native american guy. His name is Eagle Boy, and when he started school where I was the teacher straight asked him what his "real" name was, and when he said that his legal name is Eagle Boy, she said "No, your christian name". He also got shit for his hair, and it was a constant point of contention vs their dress code. They knew this type of discrimination was illegal, they just didn't give a shit, and there was very little chance they would suffer any consequences for it.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Eagle Boy is a fucking awesome name. I hope he never gave in despite that horse shit.

I saw a lot of the same stuff in school, it's ridiculous when the bullying comes from the teachers... and a life lesson.

Loved the Chinese kid named Quang (pronounced Wang) who refused to change his name for anyone and owned it. I hope he's doing well.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@piefed.zip 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Right?! That name goes fucking hard. These days he generally goes by E.B. His older brother is named Sunbear, though he goes by his middle name, which is more common. The youngest got European common names.

They did not put up with this shit. The school was a Kafka-esque nightmare, and many other people had major problems. I was almost in a lawsuit with them, but they settled for covering my tuition to go to another school, an awesome school at that.

Talking to him, apparently there is (or was, at the time) some level of controversy within their tribe over this type of naming. I guess there is a portion of the population that thinks they are being stereotypical, and it hurts the native image in some way. Some said if they wanted those names they should have used the native language, rather than english, however there was some problem with that, I can't remember what. So that was an interesting insight.

[–] OutForARip@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Transferring children is literally one of the definitions for genocide.

What you have described is genocide. Weasel words like cultural erasure should not be used to refer to the destruction of an ethnic group.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@piefed.zip -3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The children forced to go to these schools largely were returned to the region they came from, when their residence was ended. The schools also tended to operate in the region of the people they put through the system. The Trail of Tears, however, is the kind of thing where displacement is considered to be a genocide, these things are both horrible, but they are not the same.

[–] OutForARip@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The House of Commons has literally stated it is a genocide, based on the findings of the 2015 Truth and Reconciliation Council. The TRC was chaired by Murray Sinclair a member of the Ojibwe Nation, while Willie Littlechild a Cree Chief and Grand Chief of the Confederacy of Treaty Six First Nations acted as commissioner.

On 27 October 2022, the House of Commons unanimously agreed that the government must “recognize what happened in Canada’s Indian residential schools as genocide

https://www.ourcommons.ca/documentviewer/en/44-1/INAN/report-13/page-42

[–] Wren@lemmy.today -3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I didn't see that definition on the list. You may mean that's an aspect of genocide.

Let's not downplay cultural erasure.

[–] OutForARip@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Article II on the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf

Let's not downplay genocide.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 1 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

From the UN articles on genocide. I don't agree with that definition because "in part" is too broad and difficult to prove.

The term “genocide” has entered global imagination as the “crime of crimes.” Through the years since its creation by Polish scholar Raphael Lemkin in the 1940s, the concept of genocide has undergone considerable change. It is now conceived as an extremely rare and difficult to prove crime; a “once in a generation” crime moulded in the image of the Nazi Holocaust. Protecting the exceptionality of genocide, we are told, is important. Not everything can (or should) be a genocide, because, “if everything is genocide, nothing is genocide.”

But splitting hairs over the definition of something so broad and contentious is missing the point. I fight for restorative justice and believe, like you, these acts were/are detestable. Whether we agree on the definition of a word is moot.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think there's a pretty notable difference between what your grandmother went through and China's policies in Xinjiang. The Canadian cultural erasure program was a blanket program to try and erase the culture of all indigenous people. In Xinjiang, the vast majority of Uyghurs haven't been affected by the anti-extremist program. It's a much more limited scope and they mostly target older, chronically underemployed economically vulnerable people to put into a vocational program so they can get employment and get deradicalized from the ETIM ideology. The whole point of the program was to protect all the other people in Xinjiang province from an extremist group, not to integrate them into Han Chinese culture.

I'll leave you with The Xinjiang Atrocity Propaganda Blitz as further reading, but this focuses more on the semiotics and ideology behind this narrative than the actual facts. There used to be a Google Doc called "Notes on China Uighur Controversies" that I read some years ago that explained the full situation with the ETIM and CIA backing of the ETIM very well, sadly it seems it's now down and I don't remember what their sources were (I think many of them were Chinese sources which I can't read anyway).

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I was responding to the above posters comment on residential schools in North America.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah you're good, just wanted to say that there isn't a 1:1 comparison between that and the thread topic.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 3 points 17 hours ago

I wouldn't say anything is. Thanks for providing more information, regardless.