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I do not get why people on distros like Endevour or Cachy say that they use arch. It makes me cringe everytime. Be proud of your distro, they are all good.
Endeavour is Arch. It uses the Arch repos.
If it isn't Arch, then those automated Windows 11 installers with pre-configurations used by enterprises aren't Windows. Of course they are.
Linux isnt windows so I reject that comparison. But by your logic anything running nix is nixOS or anything using debian is debian. Plenty of distros share repos, kernels, software but they are still independent distros.
By your logic every Android phone has Samsung os, LG os, pixel os and not android.
Yes my phone does run samsungOS but it also runs the android kernel. We generalize when we say "android" the same as we generalize when we call all linux distros "linux"
wat.
Did you misread? Or have a brain fart to misstep logic like that?
Also,
You must be using "independent distros" in a very different way from the conventional understanding of these words.
Yes I am using it differently than the distrowatch websites search filter. And I would not call distrowatches search filter a conventional understanding of the word.
Im not saying independent as in they do everything themself from scratch im saying it as in they are self governing.
Is 'I run arch' your entire personality..?
No I dont use arch and I've never claimed I use arch. I just point out that if you dont use arch its cringe to tell people you run arch. Thats just common sense I thought but there are many non arch users that are feeling attacked by me pointing that out.
I use Arch BTW (cachyos)
I've done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch. It's more than just "arch based" it's literally a basic arch install with calamaris. It updates from official arch repos and arch kernal ect.
While I only tell people I use endevouros I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol. What is the difference between that and something like archinstall besides slightly easier btrfs configs?
I'd consider CatchyOS to be in the arch based category but not EndevourOS
If I said I had just installed Arch and someone found out that i had installed EndevourOS I would consider that lying. To me Endevour has a completely different philosophy and culture than Arch. Its preconfigured to someone elses liking which is basically the complete opposite of Arch. They're different in every way except sharing the same packages which a ton of distros do. If EndevourOS isnt its own distro then a ton of distros get erased and linux becomes instantly less diverse.
Well I agree it would be weird for someone to get upset over it I think having a baseline care for people to be truthful and accurate is perfectly understandable. Lying to me means there is something wrong like a person is trying to cover for something. I dont want people to think they should be embarrassed for saying they use endevour and feel pressured to say they use arch instead. Plus I would say arch being arch is an iconic part of linux culture and ought to be preserved.
I think you just need to stop being elitist about it.
Who cares? Honestly - who cares how someone installed their OS? We should be doing everything to get people to switch to Linux (of any flavour), but instead dudes like you go "oh, you have XYZ OS? Well, that's not really Arch, is it?" What even is the point?
Its not being elitist. I dont consider arch to be hard to install or maintain or anything. Its just cringe that people want to tell people that they use arch when they dont use arch. It means they are ashamed of the distro they run.
If you want to go around telling people you use arch btw while on mint themed like arch thats fine but its not elitist to find that behavior cringe.
See? You are being elitist. Your first thought is that they hope to elevate themselves somehow by saying they use Arch.
When they might just not be bothered (or don't know) to say "Arch-based". Because ultimately, there's no difference. When you're troubleshooting packages, or whatever, there's no functional difference between saying "It's Arch" and "It's WhateverTheFuck OS (Arch-based)". The latter just takes more time to type out.
See this? You think people go around telling other what distro they're using. You are elitist. It's just an OS, bro.
If your standard for being an elitist is that people can be bothered saying/knowing their distro's name then the bar is on the floor and the criticism is worthless. I'm not talking about people who say to their non-linux using friends that they use arch because its simple and recognizable. I'm talking about linux users saying they use arch to other linux users who would know endevour or cachy.
This is just wrong. Its terrible etiquette to go on the arch forum and ask for help and not mention that you're on cachyOS? Arch forum etiquette expects users to mention if they used arch install.
You're trolling, no one can be this dumb. We're in a community dedicated to an OS talking about people have an OS as their hobby/interest and anyone thats been in this community for more than 5 mins would see that telling other people what distro you use is extremely common. You probably think im an eltist because i dont call this place reddit when someone asks what im browsing.
Maybe try re-reading what I wrote?
The standard is "assuming using a specific distro's name makes them better somehow", because you think that someone could be ashamed of admitting what distro they're actually using.
Again, re-read what I wrote. I didn't say "troubleshooting", I said "troubleshooting packages". CachyOS uses pacman, and Cachy users install stuff from AUR exactly the same as Arch-Arch users.
If this place used Reddit's infrastructure, and was essentially a skin with a couple of extensions added on top, and if you were discussing generic social-media themes, yeah, it wouldn't be a problem to call it Reddit.
But since Lemmy is none of that, it would make no sense, it's fundamentally different.
That's a good point, and I'd have to partly agree with it being lying. But only if I'm talking to arch enthusiasts or well versed linux enthusiasts.
If I'm talking with someone that only knows a few distro names saying you use arch gets what you are using across without having to explain what EndevourOS is. I don't think it should be lumped in with other arch based distros that use their own repos either. The default config being so close to archinstall is one of the main reasons I switched
Yes I can agree with someone doing this and I wouldnt find that cringe.
Cause it's funny to say arch btw
Its only funny if you're actually an arch user tho.
Yeah, I use Endeavour and I would never say I use Arch. I've never installed Arch. That's like the whole thing about it.
Even that has been massively simplified, no?
Yup
archinstallis damn near perfect for everything except corner cases as far as most end users are concerned. Installing Arch manually is just wasting your time these days.Oh, I installed Arch manually the other day and rather enjoyed the process :'( felt good to be reminded of all the bits and bobs.
TBF I have been accused of being a time-waster on occasion
I confess I have sometimes said I used Gentoo since 2007, when really, that was Sabayon, and not Gentoo until 2010.
This was indeed technically wrong, or at the very least, misleading. Merely a choice of expedient shorthand, to avoid my usual verbose precision.
Does anyone really care though?
It does get me wondering how many "I use arch btw" are not really, and boasting a nothing burger from even less. XD
for me at least, endevour and cachy dont rlly have an identity, they feel like Arch but easier to install with very little difference in actual use
They do. They have their own identity, community and user culture. Go make a post on the arch fourms, endevour fourms and cachy fourms and it will be 3 different experiences because they cater to different niches of people. Majority of Arch users will never get their system as optimized as cachy.
There is little different in actual use between all linux distros. They all feel mostly the same but the differences are there and they are what makes linux cool.
Because Endevour and Cachy are based on Arch, btw.
I mean, if you're on Fedora or CentOS, it's basically Red Hat. Lots of such instances. Potato, po-tot-o.
Anyways, if a person uses Arch, is switching to Endeavor beneficial? Will it be more convenient or feel restrictive?
I've been in vanilla Arch for well over a year and have had a few challenges here and there. Really from Hyprland more than the OS. My mouse and touchpad are a nightmare and I just hotkey everything. Also there is a networking bug that took me 5 hours to get around recently. Saw lots of folks complaining about it, but I resolved it.
But no one has ever said they use redhat when they use centOS or fedora. That doesnt happen on other distros they just say the distro they use. Obviously its not a big deal but it is cringe and all the responses from people twisting themselves into knots trying to defend it is even more cringe.
That depends, if you can configure arch then no because it will only add things you'll want to remove. If you cant then its nice to have maintainers to configure and maintain your distro for you.