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housemate and I are sick of smartphone AI and spyware!! looking for cheap, refurbished cellphones from the 00s

  • the problem: all models we have found run on 2G, which is rapidly being phased out by all US carriers
  • desired features: basic call and text functionality, durability, physical buttons, fits in pocket
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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

As Admiral Patrick said, KaiOS phones are a viable alternative to traditional smart-phones, and tend to fill a space between a dumb phone and an android phone.

However, a downside of Kai OS is limited application support, which can be a particular downside when it comes to privacy-respecting encrypted texting apps. From what I can see, KaiOS does not offer any options there on their store.

SMS is now a pretty insecure way to communicate due to the infrastructure being compromised. Having access to a reliable encrypted chat application, like Deltachat or Conversations is a big plus for Android phones.

The downside of Android phones is that the OS is controlled by Google, and many manufacturers force bloated software or offer fairly short lifetimes for security updates, making the phone insecure to use past the End of Life date.

Personally I would suggest getting a Google Pixel phone, which is ironically the most open to having its OS replaced with a privacy respecting OS like GrapheneOS (which is quite easy to install). GrapheneOS is the only OS that can you can really trust to completely turn off the radio chip when you turn on airplane mode, cutting any and all communication with cell towers (but GPS will continue to function).

This would also give you access to F-droid, which only contains open-source software with no paywalls or malware, and access to the best possible privacy communication apps.

Google Pixel phones offer some of the longest support timelines for security updates, which is 7 years from the date of release. A Pixel 9a, as an example, would lose support 6 years from now in 2032. You could continue to use the phone past that point if you stay offline most of the time and don't log into any sensitive accounts. If your battery degrades or screen breaks, the phone is popular enough that you will easily be able to replace either of those at a local phone repair shop, keeping it alive for a very long time.

[–] fae@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 hours ago

this is the sort of thorough answer I was hoping for, thank you so so much

[–] fae@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

follow up Q; can Graphene run Signal? I know it's not the most secure app out there, but it's what most of my collaborators use

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago

There's an alternative client for Signal called Molly, that has additional privacy options, is fully open source, and doesn't use Google for notifications.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, you can get Signal using the Aurora Store, which lets you download and install apps from the Google Play Store without an account.

Alternatively, you can add the Guardian Project repo to F-droid, which AFAIK also has Signal available.

[–] fae@slrpnk.net 3 points 8 hours ago

awesome!!! thank you again