Came across this because of the other thread @LemmySlopSkimmer@hexbear.net posted. This user is the lowest Nazi garbage, yet claims to be a leftist with good intentions.
What is the “right” way for Palestinians to resist Israel? How should they fight back? Please, paint a picture for me in a way that shows how they can effectively stop Israel from killing more people, and stealing ever more land, until the Palestinians have been completely wiped out.
Response from goat cw extreme Zionism and imperialism apologia, SV
don’tremoved, don’t carry out terrorism on innocent civilians
The right way was using the internet and global attention, which Palestine was doing, raising awareness of how they are suffering and gaining sympathy for it. They should’ve adopted more Western ideals, or maybe liberalism, encourage foreigners to come and stay. The West Bank and Gaza near Rafah were also doing decently well in terms of growth, labelling itself as a trendy tourist destination.
Unfortunately, Hamas decided thatremoved women and killing innocent civilians was a better method of resistance, even going so far as to film themselves carrying out the massacre and taking hostages – Which incurred the Israeli military and ended up with Gaza being turned to rubble. Sure, people are much more aware of Palestine now, but only the most radical of “progressives” think Israel can be defeated and that Palestine can do no wrong. These people are vocal minorities and hold no power.
The whole relationship between Israel and the US isn’t as buddy-buddy as people think it is. Israel previously attacked US forces and regularly threatens US personnel. No clue what goes on behind the scenes, but clearly Israel has something major on the US, or the US sees Israel as a base for Middle-East operations and considers the chaos that comes with it as a necessary sacrifice. Or maybe it’s both, or maybe it’s neither.
That is a tactic used on all "left" groups, or any group opposing monied interests. Make an insufferable chariciture and associate them with that.
As soon as they hear the group, they associate them with the dumbassery they were fed.
It is simple but somehow still works people are dumb.
You're totally right and I've been recently considering how much I'm personally liable to falling in the same trap. I'm not immune to propaganda, right? Maybe I tell myself that my political opponents are really bad but they're reasonable people who have good points to make, and we just have a difference of opinion but they aren't fundamentally evil people or anything.
Then you go and check out what they're saying and you realize that couldn't be more wrong.
Every so often I go and check those sites to check if they're any different in their own comms since they're always on that "free speech!!!!! How dare you censor AdZenz1488s point about the 30 million Uyghur dead on tenement square " Shit. Like, I know I get more confrontational when I know the audience is already openly hostile to my ideas and they probably have more nuanced takes there.
And then it's just a big fucking wall of red comments and you go and see and it's just "Reason: rule 1 Russian bot" for saying the mildest shit like going "nah they're not tAnKiEs in that comm they're just socdems". And even the milder flavors of lib are dedicated to speculating wildly on politics from a shaky premise on top of another and another and another until you get this jumbled galaxy brained conspiracy which somehow means nobody's at fault for nothing except for the enemies of the State Dept.
Those dudes definitely have a written list of people they'd hand out to the feds. I deadass come back a bit shook in my optimism whenever I check in.
it's not stupidity, the imperial core willingly falls for bullshit because they think empire benefits them
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
Necessary reading for any leftist IMO.
Occasionally, you get a lib who actually talks to a tankie who knows what they're talking about, then they get terrified by how much the tankie actually makes sense. See the time that Vaush talked to Hakim.