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Most servers around the world run Linux. The same goes for almost all supercomputers. That's astonishing in a capitalist world where absolutely everything is commodified. Why can't these big tech companies manage to sell their own software to server operators or supercomputers? Why is an open, free project that is free for users so superior here?

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[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 50 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just to really drive this point home, if I go and price out a dell R470 with the default config from dell.ca it's $9700. If i want a windows server license, that's another $4700 on top of that.

Why pay 50% more for software that is slower and harder to support? That's not even thinking about SQL server licensing which is even more expensive.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Almost anyone buying servers already has Microsoft enterprise agreement licenses, which are much cheaper than that retail price.

[–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is true, but as I recall the minimum users you need to get an enterprise agreement license is ~500 users. So you're already talking over 6 figures to have the option to buy cheaper server OS licenses.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Maybe I'm misremembering the name, it's been a while. I remember the minimum volume license purchase was five licenses, but you could buy one Windows server license at whatever price, and four $5 whatever licenses.

[–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I must admit, I've been too far removed from the volume licensing to remember how it worked. It was definitely cheaper than retail and I remember 2016 and beyond you paid by 2 physical cores each, at least for datacenter.

All I recall was that they changed the licensing terms twice in ~5 years, and the forced minimum of ~500 users for enterprise put one of my past employers into a bind.

I would not be surprised if they had changed it once or twice since.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

They've dropped physical cpu licensing model and now you pay per vCPU/thread (unless they've changed it again). People would buy a host with 128 cores and use virtualization to cram it into one physical CPU. You're not wrong that there's enterprise packages to pay way less, but it's still a nightmare and if you get audited you're guaranteed to have to pay up some extra $ since nobody gets it right.

Even the microsoft VARs can't make sense of it. A previous job (service provider) got audited 2 months after I left and it sounded like a total headache.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 days ago

That was in 2018 or so, but I'm sure there's something similar now. If they haven't forced everyone to subscription licenses, that is.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

You're likely thinking of CALs, and one is required for each person accessing the server. Licensing turns into a nightmare very quickly.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Almost anyone buying servers already has Microsoft enterprise agreement licenses, which are much cheaper than that retail price.

Right. But Linux is.... checks notes... free.

Edit: Just because y'all want to pay for support does not make Linux any less free.

[–] nottelling@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

most enterprises who need the kind of scale that a Microsoft enterprise agreement even makes sense are paying just as much for Redhat or similar.

"free" is not really a consideration in the selection.

[–] PainInTheAES@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Enterprise Linux however is not. The majority of places won't buy anything without support. Which is why I sell a lot of Red Hat.

[–] khleedril@cyberplace.social -5 points 4 days ago

@frongt @Shadow Almost anyone buying servers doesn't give two hoots about licenses, just freely load them up with a copy of whatever Linux distribution they've got.