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I think you have most of your explanation there. If you do some silly mass shooter adventurism or something, the things that are really upsetting you -- these reactionary institutions and their reactionary culture -- will be completely unbothered and in fact will probably use it as a pretext for escalating further, and you get to be the reichstag fire that gives reactionaries a blank check that, believe it or not, they do not have just yet but have been eagerly waiting for for years. They've unsuccessfully tried with the various shooters, but all the shooters have been Republican types (and that CIA asset), so it hasn't really worked out even if they still pantomime as though they proved it was The Left that did it. If you want to actually destroy these people and end their crimes, you can't accomplish it by being a kamikaze pilot or many, many people would have done so already.
Anyway, regarding libs, I think maybe it would be good to ask them what they think, since most people don't walk around with a sign hanging from their neck telling you their opinion on whichever issue you (quite justifiably) happen to be most concerned with at the moment. It could be a basis for a productive conversation about the government lying about something we have on camera to murder a mere observer in cold blood.
The "logical" part of my brain thankfully keeps me from doing something stupid. It's hard to fight these feelings but yeah I know organizing is a way to fight back. It's just tough seeing these people literally getting away with murder and our response is another protest.
Totally understandable, but this seems like an especially good opportunity to impress upon the libs around you that we need actually fight these people.
I honestly don't know of any practical things we can do. I think part of why people end up holding signs is because it's an easy way to respond.
I'd love to just start going on strike but like so many of us I gotta keep this job. It took a year to get this job and I need to keep it for a while :/
Let me clear that up. We have people here doing ice watch patrols and some groups doing court watch + "know your rights". So we try to help people prevent getting got in the first place. I just wish I had a way to hurt these people in their wallet and especially hit back at the chud businesses around here.
Yeah, getting yourself fired is usually a bad idea, but it could be good to do workplace organizing that won't get you fired.
Is kidnapping a sin in the bible? I could take that angle and see if my workplace can ban ICE agents from being hired here. They're very religious so any Jesus quotes I could throw at them could be helpful.
Well, murder is a sin and they murdered this bystander here.
Taking your question at face value, there are actually multiple places in the Old Testament where kidnapping is forbidden, but sometimes it used a verb for "steal" that applies to both people and property and the common translations use "steal," which obviously usually only applies to property. afaik Jesus Himself never really comments on it because human trafficking was already understood to be against Jewish law, just like many other issues that he doesn't bother relitigating. That said, he tended to oppose violence even against "evil" figures, as when he broke up a fight and healed that Roman soldier's ear or whatever it was.
But my suggestion is to try to understand what their actual values are and argue from there. Inevitably it sounds like it mostly comes from (their selected points in) the Bible, but that doesn't mean that quoting scripture directly on an issue is the best or even really a good way of persuading them. At base, it's unavoidable that they personally believe in things, and identifying those things is the best way to persuade them because something that doesn't properly interact with those things will simply be brushed off.
women, children, and slaves were considered property
That last one is very important, because anyone can be a slave if you kidnap them. It is nonetheless true that the assumption of "steal" in English is that you're not talking about kidnapping humans, even if in some circumstances it does get used that way.
there's a fossil phrase of "stealing someone away", but i'm too removed from english class to remember how much of that is outside of faerie stories or a midsummer nights' dream.