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Tankies tell me the "capitalist media" is hiding the truth from me. Asking what, specifically, is a bannable offence. (piefed-media.feddit.online)

submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by FiniteBanjo@feddit.online to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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I asked, concisely and simply, what was being hidden from us. Most of them just berated me, one user claimed the Syria conflict to which I provided a link to a recent UN Statement on which quite accurately reflected the conflict start to finish. Another user claimed that the recently declassified Nixon era documents about the Chilean revolution and coup, but I was able to find a 1973 archived Newspaper accusing the Nixon Admin of having a hand in it from Times Magazine meaning it was already a mainstream theory at the time.

https://feddit.online/post/1341994

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Before the internet, it used to be functionally impossible to run across anyone who had any kind of platform anywhere in the US who thought that universal health care was a good idea, or that Israel was anyone other than the good guys, or that publicly funded elections would fix 85% of our problems.

what

Those were all popular ideas before the advent of the internet. Israel's supremacy in US foreign policy didn't even come about until the mid-80s, universal healthcare was one of Clinton's main running points in '92, and the private funding floodgates didn't open until Citizens United in 2010, and was deeply controversial with the public.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Those were all popular ideas before the advent of the internet.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked Diplomjodler: Show me one article in the mainstream press that simply reports the objective truth that Al Gore is right about global warming.

They were "popular" ideas, sure. What I'm saying is that the media's unanimous opposition to them was very effective at preventing them from getting real traction by distorting the thinking of a lot of people in the country. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

The effort also included extensive advertising criticizing the plan, including the famous "Harry and Louise" ad, paid for by the Health Insurance Association of America, which depicted a middle-class couple despairing over the plan's complex, bureaucratic nature.[18][19] Time, CBS News, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, and The Christian Science Monitor ran stories questioning whether there really was a health care crisis.[20] Op-eds were written against it, including one in The Washington Post by conservative[21] University of Virginia Professor Martha Derthick that said,

"In many years of studying American social policy, I have never read an official document that seemed so suffused with coercion and political naivete... with its drastic prescriptions for controlling the conduct of state governments, employers, drug manufacturers, doctors, hospitals and you and me.[22]"

The 1994 mid-term election became, in the opinion of one media observer, a "referendum on big government – Hillary Clinton had launched a massive health-care reform plan that wound up strangled by its own red tape".[31] In that 1994 election, the Republican revolution, led by Newt Gingrich, gave the GOP control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate for the first time since the 83rd Congress of 1953–1954, ending prospects for a Clinton-sponsored health care overhaul. Comprehensive health care reform in the United States was not seriously considered or enacted by Congress until Barack Obama's election in 2008, and the U.S. remains the only developed country without universal health care.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/19/world/1999-continues-warming-trend-around-globe.html

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago

Nothing of this indicates that it's in any way urgent. That was my point. The closest it comes, way way down after it's talking about some flowers maybe doing some weird things, is:

A warming of 3.5 degrees, according to experts, would cause widespread climatic and environmental dislocations, producing more extreme weather, raising the global sea level, causing precipitation patterns to change and shifting climatic and agricultural zones.

Doesn't sound too bad. What Gore said, during the election while the press criticized him for it and later when he found financing for a platform of his own, was:

There are good people, who are in politics in both parties, who hold this at arm's length, because if they acknowledge it and recognize it, then the moral imperative to make big changes is inescapable. ... unless you fix the biggest damn crisis in the history of this country.

Tony Blair's scientific advisor has said that because of what's happening in Greenland right now, the maps of the world will have to be redrawn. If Greenland broke up and melted, or if half of Greenland and half of West Antarctica broke up and melted, this is what would happen to the sea level in Florida. This is what would happen to San Francisco Bay. A lot of people live in these areas. The Netherlands, one of the low countries. Absolutely devastating.

The area around Beijing that's home to tens of millions of people. Even worse, in the area around Shanghai, there are 40 million people. Worse still, Calcutta, and to the east, Bangladesh. Think of the impact of a couple hundred thousand refugees when they're displaced by an environmental event. And then imagine the impact of a hundred million or more.

Here's Manhattan. This is the World Trade Center memorial site. And after the horrible events of 9/11, we said, "Never again." But this is what would happen to Manhattan.

All emphasis is mine. I just picked random stuff from his movie's script. That's the reality. I think people still don't really grasp it, because the "business as usual" malpractice press got replaced with getting your news from Facebook instead of being replaced with something better, but it is at least possible to broadcast that message to a mass audience now without having to finance your own movie. In 1999, it wasn't, and the news was refusing their duty to as the only ones who could do it.