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Garbage Company.
Do you just voluntarily give the government money that you aren't legally required to pay?
Tell me more about how taxes are bad and corporations deserve the right to avoid paying them while benefiting from the countries they operate in.
I'm not saying that taxes are bad. I'm saying that if the government says "there's a new tax you have to pay if you do that" and you say "ok, then I won't do that," you have done nothing wrong. You have a duty to obey the law, but no duty to maximize government revenue.
Oh yeah, totally not wrong to change the legal definitions of your contracts the day new legislation comes out designed to claw back the taxes you have been avoiding the whole time without that new legislation.
Can you please take your corporate ski poling else where?
Seriously, us regular folk can't just reclassify ourselves and dodge taxes (not that we should if we could). We can't suddenly call our house a contracted asset and avoid taxes or something.
Companies shouldn't be able to either.
Agreed.
Honestly it this point I think a full scale tax strike would send the message.
We the people of [Insert country] refuse to pay a [lowest currency of country] in taxes until every single person and corporation (Which are legally declared people in most countries, in case you didn't know) pays their fair share and the entire fund goes to supporting our basic needs and infrastructure as a society.
Everyone should have Shelter, Food, Water, Medical Care, Security, and Education fully covered for simply existing in society, and this would be a good step one.
You can! In the US, just declare all of it as a self-employed home office and then it's a business expense!
Note that like Uber's actions here, it's considered tax evasion and illegal.
This isn’t the same.
They were legally required to charge VAT on the whole fare but they found a loophole which passes the commitment onto their drivers.
It requires a unilateral change to every driver’s contract which is a serious abuse of the power difference in the employer/ employee relationship. This is only allowed due to another legal loophole which enables them to dodge employer commitments by claiming that they aren’t employees.
I suppose I don't give "loophole" the same moral weight that you do. Even if this was not intended to be legal, if the law as written permits it then the blame is on the government for passing a law other than the one intended to pass, not on Uber for taking action in accordance with the law.
(Moral obligations can exist without being legally required, but taxes are a legal construct and there is no such moral obligation to pay them which extends beyond the legal one.)
Bullshit dude. Uber has been playing games like this for the entire time they've been a company.
"They're not employees, they're contractors" has just moved on to "they're independent operators and we're facilitating your contract with them."
Stop simping for this company that should get their ass shut down for these games they keep playing.
They also play the "we're not a taxi firm, we're a taxi-firm-the-internet which is entirely different and not subject to regulations applicable to taxi firms" card, which is utterly dishonest. It's a form of regulatory arbitrage that means that actual, locally-based, properly regulated cab firms can't compete, while these weasels get away with cheating. And in non-US markets, they hide their profits through transfer payments and use tax-shelter countries. They're scumbags.
Oh good point. I forgot about the "we're not a taxi company because... hey! What's that over there?" Stage.
There is moral, there is legal, and there is ethical.
This may have been moral, as well as legal, but it sure as shit wasn't ethical.
So there's a thing called a w2 where employers will extract a percentage of your paycheck each cycle and send it to the IRS and you can only get a chance of getting a tax return by submitting signed documents in accordance with the tax laws. So yes I believe many many people pay extra taxes, semivoluntary.
Tax fraud vs. tax evasion... Look, we know the corporate scam: treat people like employees but pretend they aren't to save money on taxes. It's a scam, always has been, always will be, in my opinion.
Are you arguing that it isn't a scam? Or are you arguing that scams like this are ethical? I'm curious.
Generally a scam is something done in secret, and if the government finds out exactly what the scammer is doing then the scammer can get in legal trouble. Here Uber is acting entirely out in the open, the government clearly wants to stop Uber, but writing a law that restricts Uber in the intended way appears to be difficult. (Maybe a law written strictly enough that Uber couldn't work around it would also impact others that the government doesn't want to target?) So I would argue that this is against the spirit of the law but it isn't a scam.