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"Triple-A is in crisis" and games "don't have staying power because they're bad," says ex Gears of War director and Painkiller creator (www.pcgamesn.com)

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[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The live-service games that live on do so because of a constant investment and commitment to the game and the community it harbours. The moment people think the writing's on the walls, they jump ship.

This especially. Just as an example, I sunk way too much time into Destiny 2, and recently picked up Warframe after putting D2 away last year, and the difference between the studios behind them both is night and day. The former feels like an abusive relationship, built on constant FOMO, removing content, and constantly skirting around the community's numerous issues with the game's systems and sandbox (and that's all on top of Bungie/Sony execs treating the actual devs like garbage).

The latter feels like a game where the players are genuinely treated as the game's lifeblood and rather than nickel and dime them for every last thing, the devs give them what they want, and the devs get to make what they want to make. Not to mention literally everything in the game minus community-created cosmetics can be earned without spending anything at all.

These sorts of comparisons are all over the place. PoE2 compared to Diablo 4 or post-Krafton Last Epoch for example. You can't just pump out a live service game and hope shit sticks, you need to foster a community around it.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 2 points 4 days ago

I think Digital Extremes, at least currently, is still very aware of what made them successful.

John Bain for example spoke out about the games potential very early, earning them a big influx of players, and they've previously stated that Warframe wouldn't have been a thing if not for him. I guess it can be particularly contrasted with the fact that Warframe was kind of a Hail Mary project for the studio. They'd pitched it around for a while but no publisher responded positively. When they were running out of money they just said "fuck it" and went to work on it, publisher be damned.

I've been playing on and off for years now, since around the release of The Second Dream. It makes me really happy to see that they're doing well. I hope they'll continue to do well, and do well by the community.