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Yes, I think it is important to talk about utopias, for it defines what we as a society are striving for.
Communist utopia has a scientific basis, specifically dialectical materialism, labour theory of value, and stages of development in production relations. Capitalist utopia is based on capitalist propaganda - which can be encompassed by the term "trickle-down economics" - which has been disproven time and time again.
Or, in other words, communist utopia is much more likely to be achieved than capitalist utopia.
And as for "examples we've seen in practice", again, if you compare the speed of development and working-class living standards in socialist countries vs. their capitalist neighbors, it's pretty obvious which ones are closer to a utopia.
A communist utopia can only be achieved by despotic dictators willingly giving up power. The capitalist utopia (which has nothing to do with trickle down economics and more to do with everyone having perfect information) is not any less likely than that.
If you actually look at the history of socialist states, you will see heads of party & state giving up their power in many cases. They're not all despotic dictators like western-capitalist propaganda will have you believe, there are noticeable differences in different societies and historic periods.
And actually, capitalist utopia is not possible without some form of "trickle-down economics". Even if everyone had perfect information, by preserving private property on means of production you are ensuring that some people will accumulate more wealth than others, leading to an exponentially growing power imbalance. Only by believing that the "brave entrepreneurs" will share their wealth with their workers can you believe in a capitalist utopia.
Right, socialist states. We're talking communist states here.
Conflating the two along with your obvious ignorance of the pure capitalist utopia myth makes further conversation pointless.
MFers will rather invent their own definitions for socialism and communism than read a book of theory. Sad.
That is an accurate depiction of what you do here.