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That's circular reasoning. Why is it bad to use AI to make this image? Would spending time in photoshop make it less good?
Spending time in photoshop instead of asking the misinformation machine to make this would make it good, yes.
I hate to break it to you but even Photoshop is an AI slop generation tool now. Hell, most flagship phones don't take pictures anymore. What you get is an AI generated composite of a number of frames it took. Everything is fucked. Reality is done for.
Photoshop or your preferred image editing software.
Why? You just say it would be good, without explaining why. How is this image contributing to misinformation?
It's not the image itself, it's the tool. Using it normalises the use of AI generation and thus indirectly promotes misinformation.
Semantics. I'm talking about using the tool.
@umbrella how are there so many ai defenders on a "marxist leninist" instance?!
Because the Marxist-Leninist stance on AI isn't fully formed, but generally sees it as a tool that can be useful, but that it's being used for the worst ways under capitalism. I have yet to find an argument against AI in all cases that is grounded in dialectical materialism, instead it seems that aversion to AI is more emotional and moral than logical. Socialist countries already are using AI for beneficial reasons, the problems with AI largely stem from capitalism.
So there isn't anything wrong with using AI to generate this image, except the possibility that others can use it for misinformation? How is that different from photoshop? Surely the misinformation is the problem, and not the tool at a universal level?
It's not about using this image for anything, this image doesn't matter. It's the normalisation of using AI generated images in general, for anything. I don't know how else to explain that.
It's not the tool, it's the use of the tool for misinformation that's the problem. The internet, photoshop, TV, news, education system even are all used for misinformation, but that does not mean they are all dogmatically bad. The same applies to image generation.
So normalising the use of the tool that is just begging to be used to generate tons of misinformation with no effort at all and vomit it onto the internet does NOT promote misinformation?
Not any more than using photoshop, the internet, or social media does. You're taking a neo-Luddite stance against AI, irrationally blaming the tool instead of the capitalist system that abuses it.
I can blame both at the same time and also be aware that it's a lot harder and a lot more effort and thus a much bigger hurdle to shop even one convincing piece of misinformation than to simply prompt an AI for a gazillion of them.
The tool isn't the problem though, the use of it can be. In this instance it's agitating against Trump and Netanyahu, it isn't a problem.
In this current reality (where abolishing IP is a utopian dream btw), it is (the existence of) the tool that's the problem. The entire system would have to change first and that's not happening any time soon, especially with this misinformation machine.
The tool is not the problem, this meme is proof of that. The problem is capitalism. AI is one of many means by which misinformation is pushed, and we shouldn't distance ourselves from them purely because they can be used for nefarious means.
Laws require you to believe in them to have power. It isn't a utopian dream to abolish IP, it is only kept in place by weak legal structures and violence that will collapse. I don't believe in IP and don't pay attention to it and download/copy everything I feel like and the more people follow that lead the sooner the regime of IP will collapse
It bad because it's AI. There's no circular reasoning there. It's just bad on it's own because it's been trained on stolen work.
IP itself should be abolished, and again, this is a neo-Luddite position attacking the tool rather than the capitalist system that abuses it. It's entirely circular reasoning to say that AI is bad because it's AI.
The Luddites weren't wrong.
The Luddites correctly idenfitied that their conditions were changing, in many cases for the worse, while incorrectly blaming machinery rather than capitalism.