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[–] tal@lemmy.today 162 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

“My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030,” Microsoft distinguished engineer Galen Hunt wrote in a recent LinkedIn post.

“Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases,” he added. “Our North Star is ‘1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code.’”

Well, I expect it'll be exciting, one way or another.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

So to be paid I have to delete 1M lines of code every month. Gotcha.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 35 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You know it's going to be successful when they go back to using antiquated productivity measurements like measuring based on lines of code in a time frame. We all know AI is fucking spectacular at generating overly verbose code.

[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think the number of lines to be deleted is the target 1M...

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

yeah it's "replace 1M lines of current code with whatever it takes to do the same task."

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 40 points 13 hours ago

Well, I expect it’ll be exciting, one way or another.

This gives the curse "may you live in interesting times" vibes

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 24 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

“Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases,” he added. “Our North Star is ‘1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code.’”

That's insane. Even a good engineer will frequently need years to fully understand one million lines of code - even if the code is organized very, very well.

To compare, one million lines of program code might have around 100000 to 200000 unique symbols whose meaning and complex connections an engineer working with it has to learn and memorize. That's far more than the average vocabulary one will learn in five years when learning a foreign language to a high skill level. Doing it in a month would be like learning to read and write fine Japanese or Arab literature in a month when you have never spoken a word in that language before.

The Linux kernel has now passed 40 million lines of code, written over 30 years by tens of thousands of master programmers. And that's kind of a historic achievement. What happens is that complexity increases sharply with each duplication of the amount of code.

[–] msage@programming.dev 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda still your point, but if you have one engineer producing 1M SLOC, how many do you have for code review?

I hate how everyone nowadays is acting like reviews are not important. Actual oversight over codebase is way less important than shipping random code. Which is insane.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

GitHub Copilot performs PR reviews now doesn't it

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

it is not much better than just running a linter over your code.

[–] msage@programming.dev 11 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, that's exactly what we need.

LLM producing the code

LLM approving the change

LLM agent pushing to prod

Then wonder why the users are gone

[–] TheBlackLounge@lemmy.zip 5 points 11 hours ago

It's not great.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

they are speedrunning enshitification 🐧

[–] Iunnrais@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Enshittification does not mean making things suck in general. It specifically means the business model of making a good product for users, then making the product bad for users and good for advertisers or data purchasers or retailers or whatever, and then when you have a captured market, making it worse for everyone to squeeze more money faster.

Microsoft is not doing this. They might be sucking, and making a worse product, but it’s not following the enshittification playbook.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 hours ago

points to ads in the start menu and surveillance in the OS

[–] hummingbird@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Pardon me, but that is exactly what MS is doing.