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Rule 1: No dehumanizing ANYONE, especially Palestinians.
Rule 2: No Israeli apologia.
Rule 3: Anti-Zionism is allowed. Anti-semitism is not.
Rule 4: Leftist ideologies are secular, not atheist. This is not a place to “dunk” on Judaism, but a place to help liberate it.
Rule 5: BDS is good and based.
"Love labor, hate mastery over others, and avoid a close relationship with the government" (Avot, 1:10)
"Anti-Semitism means spreading enmity towards the Jews. When the accursed tsarist monarchy was living its last days it tried to incite ignorant workers and peasants against the Jews. The tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organised pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. In other countries, too, we often see the capitalists fomenting hatred against the Jews in order to blind the workers, to divert their attention from the real enemy of the working people, capital. Hatred towards the Jews persists only in those countries where slavery to the landowners and capitalists has created abysmal ignorance among the workers and peasants. Only the most ignorant and downtrodden people can believe the lies and slander that are spread about the Jews. This is a survival of ancient feudal times, when the priests burned heretics at the stake, when the peasants lived in slavery, and when the people were crushed and inarticulate. This ancient, feudal ignorance is passing away; the eyes of the people are being opened.
It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians, and among people of all nations. The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. Those who do not work are kept in power by the power and strength of capital. Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob and disunite the workers.
Shame on accursed tsarism which tortured and persecuted the Jews. Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations.
Long live the fraternal trust and fighting alliance of the workers of all nations in the struggle to overthrow capital." - V. I. Lenin, Anti-Jewish Pogroms
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I did watch the whole thing even thought it's BadEmpanada. I'm not saying every single thing he said was completely wrong but dear god the mode I see from him the less I can tell if he's an op, an ultra, or if that's a distinction without a difference.
Tell me your opinion sister
I feel like criticizing Jews who are antizionist for using their identity to oppose "iϟϟntreal"'s genocide in Palestine is stupid and counterproductive. I've seen people where I am criticize white people for leading protests and being on the front line like "why isn't this led by a woman of color? Why isn't this led by the most marginalized groups? What's with this white saviorism?" And my counter to that response is that we literally want the white people to be our shields because they often have more resources and are at lower risk than we are if we're leading. As long as they listen to us instead of telling us what to do, I'm delighted to have them be the tip of the spear. If they get arrested, they're not worried about ICE going after their immigrant parents -- but I have to worry about that.
Jews who are antizionists offer themselves up as allies, accomplices, support, shields against hasbara, and they do offer something that non-jews cannot which is the weaponization of that identity for the right cause. It's absurd to accuse them of perpetuating jewish exceptionalism. That exceptionalism has already been imposed from outside, and they are weaponizing that exceptionalism in support of Palestine! Is a white person who goes and throws rocks at cops for murdering a black man perpetuating white supremacy?!
Also lol @ BadEmpanada saying that it’s ethnosupremacist to have solidarity with someone of a different ethnic group but the same religion in another country. Has this guy never spoken with a Muslim before? Has he never heard of the Ummah? Because at least how I was raised I got that internationalist solidaristic education. I immediately bristled at that. By his reasoning my solidarity with Palestine when I was a religious child was ethnosupremacist. Fuck this guy.
More broadly though, because I don’t care too much about interrogating any one thing Bad Empanada says: He comes off as a clout chaser who cares primarily about seeming to be the most radical person in the room. Is he a rad-lib? Is he an ultra? I don’t know. I saw something from him about Ukraine some time ago where he was basically criticizing anyone who points out Nato’s role in provoking and prolonging that war. He’s been weird about trans people. I don’t think he’s very smart. I don’t think he’s very principled. I kind of wish we’d just ban his content the way /r/shitliberalssay had a Vaush bot that brought up a list of terrible and gross things Vaush said anytime he was mentioned (that bot is the only reason I even have passing knowledge of who he is!) but I think he needs to drop some more cancellable evidence first. Sometimes he says cool and correct things (for example I did enjoy listening to him shit-talk his fellow "breadtube" denizen KKKontraPointϟϟ when she pinkwashed genocide), but he does not have to be the source for those and I think he himself is an asshole with bad analytical skills who is more of a hindrance than an asset to the broad coalition of political ideologies known as “the Left”. From what I have read of others, his videos have tended to be better while his Twitter presence has tended to be worse, but I get the impression whatever rot is going on from his Twitter presence is leaking into his videos more and more too.
thanks sister
No words to describe this well written comment, is just beautiful 🥹
Thanks for your explanation and understanding of things, very much appreciated (from the deep bottom of my heart). 🙏🏼🫂❤️
Note: I watched his full video, this one just went a bit... too far and I myself didn't agree with everything he said, I can agree but not on everything he says (Also sorry for bad English, it's not my first language, I'm trying my best to get and be understood), also me no like him either, he's a jerk and a asshole individual. I will not be posting his stuff here ever again.
Thank you comrade! :heart-sickle:
Never apologize for being bad at English because it's not your first language! Many people for whom English is our first language, especially the so-called "West", never attain even half your level of fluency in a second language! There is much that has been written about English as a tool, weapon, and holdover of Empire, and while I do love the language for its quirks and the fact that it's all I really know, I say fire to the idea that fluency in it is a prerequisite marker of value, worth, erudition, intelligence, status, etc.