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Evangelical Leader Says Trump’s Rob Reiner Post Represents ‘The Shame of our Generation’
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Oh, we were talking about Trump who is the President of America.
So, be more pedantic! It's fun, I do it too
Oh are non Americans not allowed to talk about US politics, is that how it works?
They sure can! But they should be aware when anyone in any thread says "our blah blah blah" when talking about American politics, they mean Americans. We can't spell every tiny detail out for you, it goes without saying that "our.... " in a thread about Americans and an American politician, this is referring to those the thread is about.
Just like in my response to you, I say "they" rather than "non-americans not allowed to talk about US politics." Because I am responding to you, and you should know who I am referring to. Certainly, I'm not talking about everyone on Earth.
THIS is how it works. Whatever country or political system and so on are the subject of the thread, when speaking of those who are involved in voting or parties or citizens and so on, "our" should be adequate for all readers without further explanation.
Do you understand?
Or, just saying, how about you don't babe assumptions about people's politics? To save yourself the embarrassment 😉
I didn't make any assumptions, just telling you how it works, friendo.
Why would I be embarrassed? You're the one who doesn't know, I am being kind by teaching you. :P
You assumed I was American and supported a certain political party. Did you forget?
No such assumption or claim was made at any time, please pay attention!
YOU were in a thread about US politics and President Trump, and acted like you don't know what "our" means in that context.
You assumed that I was making an assumption. Don't do that. If you did this in public, you would be treated with disdain in any civilized company.
A group of people are talking, you overhear "Let's go to our favorite restaurant!"
You interject "It's not MY favorite restaurant, don't make assumptions."
The speaker looks at you with contempt. "I wasn't talking to you".
A thread about US politics on a worldwide facing thing called the internet. On a platform that is by design decentralised.
You cannot fathom that this isn't a restaurant, it's the internet and people on the internet are from all over the world.
Even now you're doubling and tripling down acting like I've interrupted some private discussion with your friends because the alternative makes you look incredibly silly.
No "private conversation with my friends" was interrupted. A public conversation was interrupted rudely, to the benefit of absolutely no one.
You don't like my example, fine. Still, should you do this in public ANYWHERE on earth, you will be looked at with distaste.
I eagerly await you continuing to defend your lack of civility, because that's what impolite people do.
Nobody holding a conversation here (or anywhere) will ever accommodate you, you will always feel left out and ostracized. Not because of where you are from, but because of what you are.
I should have responded to your contribution with "no shit", and this is my mistake.
So, in closing, "People from other countries can't vote for a US president? No fucking shit."
A public conversation on the international internet, yes. You still seem to think that a public conversation can only involve specific parts of that public. It's like you don't understand the meaning of the word "public" or how the internet works.
Also given the fact that my comment has a positive ratio of upvotes, that would suggest your own theory about how I should be "looked at in distaste" doesn't hold water, either.
Once again, pubic or private setting, you made an assumption and that assumption was incorrect.
I wish you knew what the word "our" means, let me try one more time because you are funny.
If you hear (or read) the word "our", in public, private, on the internet, off the internet, at the gas station, at the bus stop, on your phone, or on your laptop...
...and it doesn't pertain to you...
The speaker (or writer) is not referring to YOU.
Do you understand?
Also, your "upvote theory" is a logical fallacy known as "argumentum ad populum"; a theory is not necessarily true just because people think so. Sad... don't do this. It's irrelevant.
Now, remember! If you don't know who "our" refers to, they aren't speaking to you (or writing for you). If you DO know who they are referring to, and it's not you?
No correction of "not me!!!" is necessary or desired. Ever. Anywhere. Under any circumstance. We know.
"Our house is on fire!!!" You... "not MY house"
You're my very favorite, your correction has been corrected. Now go forth, and sin no more!
I mean, ignoring the fact that this is a completely nonsense statement, even by your own logic it falls apart because your [https://old.lemmy.world/comment/21069429](original comment) was:
Next you'll be trying to tell me that if someone address you directly and says "you", they're not actually talking to you.
That would be true if my "upvote theory" was "I got more upvotes so what I said must be true", but as a reminder you claimed:
and the upvotes are in fact imperical data that the comment was not looked at with distaste. You should study up on your logical fallacies more, because you do not understand them.
You are arguing with the use of POSSESSIVE PRONOUNS.
Please look that up.
Human conversation is impossible without their liberal use. My use was accurate.
No nonsense statement was made. Stop challenging possessive pronouns.
Do you understand?
Should you do this anywhere on Earth, you will be loathed, forever.
Also, you don't know what "imperical data" means. Understanding is lost to you.
Lastly, "you" is a word that you appear to be unfamiliar with. I encourage you to look it up! YOU can be PLURAL. Not YOU specifically.
What happened to you (in this case singular, not plural)?
Our conversation is a perfect example of why you (in this case plural, not singular only) should never challenge possessive pronouns!
Stop it.
"Our grandma died today..." you "NOT MY GRANDMA"
p.s. oh my god I was wondering who you remind me of and it just hit me... are you JORDAN PETERSON ???
"What does 'our' mean?" What do you mean by 'you'?" and so on. Jordan, get off of lemmy!
What difference does it make if you were addressing me singularly or plurally? You were still addressing me. You can't claim that you were both addressing me and not addressing me at exactly the same time. Pick a lane and stick to it.
Sure I can. "You" can address you specifically AND the position you represent in the discussion simultaneously.
it's never a "gotcha" to challenge such terms, there's no "gotcha". If you challenge pronouns, you will never get to an actual issue to discuss.
The user of the pronoun defines who they were addressing, never the "challenger".
Yeah but the problem here is you made a huge assumption about who I am, who I represent and which political party I form a part of. You addressed me as such and when I pointed out your assumption was way off, now you're trying to argue about pronouns and semantics of conversations.
I'll keep bringing it back to this core point, you made a silly assumption and just can't admit it. It's as hilarious as it is sad.
That's the rub, I made NO ASSUMPTION about who you (singular) are or what you (plural) represent.
You're arguing with pronouns, don't do that.
I'll keep bringing it back to that core point, which is all that matters. Who YOU (singular) are to me is irrelevant.
Hilarious indeed.
Your correction has been corrected, now go forth and sin no more!
Are you familiar with Jordan Petersen?
I hope and pray that English is not your mother tongue. German, perhaps (this is an educated guess, not an assumption)?
You absolutely did make an assumption because you addressed me directly and started talking about "our" parties, there's no two ways about it. I'll keep quoting your exact words here:
There's no world where you're not addressing me directly and making assertions about "our" political party here. Everything else is irrelevant and you're doing a terrible job at trying to save face.
Don't make assumptions about my assumption. In a thread about US politics and a US President, WE USE PRONOUNS to avoid having to repeat all the desciptors we would need to be exactly correct.
Join us.
"Pronouns are words used to replace nouns in sentences, helping to avoid repetition."
If you argue over pronouns, NO topic can be discussed. That's why civil people never, ever argue with pronouns. Be one of us! ONE OF US ONE OF US.
There's no world were arguing with pronouns helps anybody, anywhere, at any time, as nothing else could be discussed.
Learn! YOU CAN DO IT
I could take apart each of your pronouns, but I don't, because look what happens when you challenge pronouns that have nothing to do with you.