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[โ€“] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

That's okay, so many people keep claiming it wasn't even a war about slavery but states rights...and refuse to acknowledge the parts of the confederate constitution that enshrined slavery. Or all the members saying that was the exact reason

[โ€“] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[โ€“] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Secede. Specifically to secede over... [checks notes] the issue of wanting to be able to force all other states to actively take part in the slave trade regardless of their own decision to ban slavery internally.

It really is the most disingenuous shit trying to twist around the fact that the literal war itself was over the question of if states could secede or not (as the Union certainly wasn't principled enough to wage an abolitionist crusade for its own sake, and simply tacked that on to the more pragmatic concern of not wanting to lose a huge chunk of its territory to an explicitly hostile newly created foreign government that was led by people who'd already been waging a low-intensity war against the free states) to obfuscate that the actual secession part was caused by slave states being afraid they wouldn't be able to trample on the rights of free states anymore and wanting to secure their own federation where member states explicitly did not have the right to abolish slavery. The slavers were explicitly the anti-states'-rights side (and they'd spent the preceding decades strongarming free states into participating in the slave trade and allowing slavers to abduct free citizens from free states) except on the single issue of whether secession was possible or not.

Even the point of "they seceded to preserve their own 'right' to have slavery internally" is too generous to them, because they weren't even under threat of a federal abolition of slavery. They wanted to continue using the federal government to trample over free states' rights, and threw a tantrum when it looked like they might lose that power.

[โ€“] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

it wasn't that they wanted to keep slaves they just wanted the option to allow it

yes even having it in the constitution that slavery could never be outlawed or limited, and all the leaders of the confederacy said it was the reason for leaving, and the articles of secession saying it it was only states rights!

God I hate how lightly the south was treated after losing and was allowed to paint it in a good light years later.

[โ€“] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Literally the VICE PRESIDENT gave a speech referring to slavery as the CORNERSTONE upon which the confederacy was built

[โ€“] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

you don't understand many in the south totally hated slavery...so it was just high taxes!

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23705803

Flaggers, to erect a large Confederate flag on a major road outside Richmond has drawn considerable fire from critics who say it's a symbol of hate.

That's not true, says Barry Isenhour, a member of the group, who says it's really about honouring the Confederate soldiers who gave their lives. For him, the war was not primarily about slavery but standing up to being over-taxed, and he says many southerners abhorred slavery.

"They fought for the family and fought for the state. We are tired of people saying they did something wrong. They were freedom-loving Americans who stood up to the tyranny of the North. They seceded from the US government not from the American idea."

And people wonder why Trump has any support at all when this is a significant portion of the south

[โ€“] GoebbelsDeezNuts@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's okay

im confused are you saying slave labor is a fit punishment for people in the american prison system?

[โ€“] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 weeks ago

No saying that so many people don't understand either that it's still around or don't care.

Was going for how those enlighten individuals think of the situation

[โ€“] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's called sarcasm.