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Other philosophy communities have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. [ x ]
"I thunk it so I dunk it." - Descartes
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looping @BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net in on this subthread because I think it aligns with her interests based on comments i've seen on the bear. maybe im confusing her with another doomposter...
I am, broadly speaking, less interested in philosophy and more interested in science. I totally agree with Lurkmore's statement that we are chemical soup and that all life has a nonstop craving for resources. I'm a materialist and panpsychism sounds like nonsense to me, I don't know how one would even demonstrate such a thing.
I'm not familiar with the idea of negentropy, all I can really remember about life and entropy was someone explaining to me that life can temporarily create local order, but overall the system (including life) is still heading towards disorder. To get our local bit of order, maybe 1.1x the amount of disorder is caused to sustain us. Life is messy and especially our industrialized society.
Yes, this is essentially what needs to happen. I think its hypothetically possible for that to happen, we overcome desires all the time. Especially with the consequences being so grave. Plus we're talking a society that is already seeking equality, most good for the most people etc. I'm imagining a very selfless socialist/communist society being able to come together and degrowth and live sustainably.
If we had overthrown the rich 100 years ago and had global socialism by say the 1970s, yea definitely. I am not optimistic at present that this will materialize in reality.
I'm glad this makes sense to somebody else. I have the privilege of knowing Smart Science People in daily life who I can engage on these topics with to a certain extent, but they are not Marxists so it never feels like our conversations lead to dialectical "progress." They are very smart but ultimately libs so trying to have these discussions is so utterly unsatisfying.
That is basically my position. It's not that humans are incapable of solving the polycrisis, it's that our present material conditions (and I am including a livable biosphere in this) are probabilistically determined. Our species needed to "get lucky" on many dice rolls in order to place itself in a competitive position at this very moment, and we failed basically all of them.
Thank you for responding to my @. I viewed your profile after doing so and was worried I shouldn't have brought the topic up given your headspace. I know words on the internet mean shitall during the twilight of our species, but I am truly thankful for being able to engage with somebody on this topic.
Every place I see climate news from also has- significantly worse politics then here, I'm glad we agree on the situation.
You're completely okay. My headspace kinda, is what it is.
I actually quite enjoy it, words online are a good way to spend the twilight of humans. I appreciated talking with you about this too, climate change is one of my most passionate subjects. Tag or DM me anytime :)
For real. The collapse subreddit has lefties every now and then, and it's one of the few places on the internet to broach these topics, but it's mostly misanthropy of various flavors. I'm so deep in the doomworld that posts there aren't even new information to me now so it's not even worth visiting anymore
Actually yeah you're right. We may as well relish the futile. I'll keep you in mind if I see something interesting that might be worth a discussion.
Climate change and all its implications are a pathological obsession of mine, to the point that it has totally ruined my social life 
I only visit every now and again, I often take breaks. Mostly to keep myself from being too depressed about the number of years I might have left and the quality of them. I might want to pick your brain at some point though.
Honestly haven't brought it up to people irl too much, they would not be convinced anyway.
Feel free to poke my grey matter whenever!