philosophy

Yes, this is essentially what needs to happen. I think its hypothetically possible for that to happen, we overcome desires all the time. Especially with the consequences being so grave. Plus we're talking a society that is already seeking equality, most good for the most people etc. I'm imagining a very selfless socialist/communist society being able to come together and degrowth and live sustainably.

I'm glad this makes sense to somebody else. I have the privilege of knowing Smart Science People in daily life who I can engage on these topics with to a certain extent, but they are not Marxists so it never feels like our conversations lead to dialectical "progress." They are very smart but ultimately libs so trying to have these discussions is so utterly unsatisfying.

If we had overthrown the rich 100 years ago and had global socialism by say the 1970s, yea definitely. I am not optimistic at present that this will materialize in reality.

That is basically my position. It's not that humans are incapable of solving the polycrisis, it's that our present material conditions (and I am including a livable biosphere in this) are probabilistically determined. Our species needed to "get lucky" on many dice rolls in order to place itself in a competitive position at this very moment, and we failed basically all of them.

Thank you for responding to my @. I viewed your profile after doing so and was worried I shouldn't have brought the topic up given your headspace. I know words on the internet mean shitall during the twilight of our species, but I am truly thankful for being able to engage with somebody on this topic.