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What do you think of panpsychism/the hard problem of consciousness? (hexbear.net)

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Personally I think it's silly as hell. Qualia is obviously a biological component of experience... Not some weird thing that science will never be able to put in to words.

I've been listening to a lot of psychology podcasts lately and for some reason people seem obsessed with the idea despite you needing to make the same logical leaps to believe it as any sort of mysticism... Maybe I am just tripping idk

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[–] fox@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You say that but the Earth experiences vast and slow movements in its magnetohydrodynamic inner layers, and through the distribution of momentum via force of gravity alone out to the moon and in from the gentle tugs of the other planets and the sun. If we assign a will to the universe, building consciousness seems to be a side effect of wanting to collect all matter in neat spheres.

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I wouldn't asign a will to the universe as that seems to be sneaking in teleological thinking. There is no apparent mechanism for the earth or universe to collect diagnostic data, but I am willing to admit maybe there is a giant magical brain we have yet to discover really far away. If we find that brain I'll change my tune.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How exactly are you defining "collecting diagnostic data" without sneaking in teleological thinking?

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I am not sure what this means. Are you suggesting an agent collecting diagnostic data is teleological? Or are you suggesting that the need for an agent to collect diagnostic data is teleological?

I can imagine plenty of things that collect data that aren't teleological but I am probably just not understanding your question.

A universal will is inherently teleological. An individual will that developed randomly within the universe doesn't have to be.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

It seems as though you're taking a "I've experienced thinking this one way (neurons) and therefore it could never happen any other way". Really, you have a dataset of 1, though. It's hard to build a theory off of one datapoint