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Other philosophy communities have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. [ x ]

"I thunk it so I dunk it." - Descartes

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What do you think of panpsychism/the hard problem of consciousness? (hexbear.net)
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Personally I think it's silly as hell. Qualia is obviously a biological component of experience... Not some weird thing that science will never be able to put in to words.

I've been listening to a lot of psychology podcasts lately and for some reason people seem obsessed with the idea despite you needing to make the same logical leaps to believe it as any sort of mysticism... Maybe I am just tripping idk

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[–] nasezero@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Tangentially related, Anton just dropped this fascinating vid: Why Did Consciousness Evolve? Exciting Research on Bird Brains. TL;DW: Bird brains evolved with completely different brain structures than mammals. And not only do they display signs of consciousness (the example used is pointing a laser on the animal and seeing if they recognize that the dot is on them while looking at themselves in a mirror), but apparently they're more efficient, being more capable than mammal brains for their size.

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hell yeah I'll watch that in just a few.

Side note: people need to leave birds alone. I saw a video a few months ago of someone playing a sound file to a song bird and encoding data to it more or less... That should be illegal. Don't do that.

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Can you be more specific? Trying to understand what you mean.

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

https://youtu.be/hCQCP-5g5bo

"I saved a PNG to a bird "

Evil

[–] fox@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Birds copy any old sounds that are interesting enough. Getting a bird to copy a steganographic noise just means the bird is really good at copying that sound, not that it's being abused or used as file storage.

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think it's animal abuse I just don't like the idea of someone potentially transmitting porn OTA via birds

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

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[–] lurker_supreme@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I saw the video. Someone created a sound with a specific shape in its graph(?). They played the sound to a mimic bird and then recorded its mimicry. The sound file recorded from the bird contained a similar graph as the original.

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

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