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I'm not a huge fan of the isekai genre, but that doesn't mean I hate it either; its ubiquity is what makes me wonder why people don't just make straight up fantasy anime.

Frieren for example would be terrible if Frieren was actually some random person from earth who got sent into her setting (or, as Frieren's whole thing is outliving her comrades, her purple haired protege was the isekai'd protagonist); I understand how the isekai nature of an anime can also affect the anime, for example a character who has modern world knowledge he applies in the setting, or modern world tech, but if he just becomes a part of it, and NOTHING from his real life has any impact on the setting....then what's the point?

Overlord for example (which I didn't enjoy to be honest; I googled if he ever faces a challenge and nope, entire series and he has zero things that can challenge him) would not have been affected if he was just some lich who woke up a thousand/hundred years later.

Konosuba benefits from the isekai genre in that the isekai elements keep being relevant throughout (Spoilers:

spoilerfor example that guy who chose to reincarnate into the world with a powerful sword that Kazuma stole, or Kazuma dying and Aqua's replacement reviving him repeatedly, or that the demon lords at some point realized all their most annoying hero enemies keep starting in this one town and so decide to attack it, or that ancient scientist who turns out to be have been an isekai'd hero who creates stuff inspired by stuff he was a fan of
)

Most isekai animes today just seem to be wish fulfillment harem animes, which are a problem on their own as well, but they're paired with being isekais too (if you're wondering why I didn't make a thread on wish fulfillment harem animes, it's cause by and large I avoid them like the plague).

There are some interesting POST isekai stories that I found fascinating, stories where the characters came back from the isekai world and had their powers with them; in one case some of the heroes become devastatingly powerful villains who destroy entire cities, in another case it's a comedy about some guy who comes back and....could have been funnier without the ecchi/SA nonsense happening throughout.

Animes like SAO (which I didn't find interesting beyond the first story) make the other world an entirely false world and never let you forget the characters are real people who can actually die in the real world (sort of an anti-isekai genre).

In general, if they're not going to benefit from being isekai....then just make them normal fantasy. So many good fantasy animes out there that would have been hurt by making the protagonist just an isekai'd character.

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[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Overlord for example would not have been affected if he was just some lich who woke up a thousand/hundred years later.

I would go beyond and say that Overlord fails to benefit from being Isekai the same way Konosuba does because its story is unconcerned with being an Isekai. The start of Overlord sort of hints at the notion that the main character was left behind by his online friends and that all his NPC companions/slaves remind him of those friends but I don't think that matters past episode 2. Meanwhile Konosuba is a genre deconstruction so it actually does care about making fun of all the stupid things you find in the wider genre, ironically making it one of the few Isekais that care about being an Isekai.

Grimgar didn't have anything close to a good production but its story at least was about how the protagonists were normal, regular people who needed to learn how to become killers in a world driven by MMO logic. Turns out the low level monsters they need to kill for money don't wanna die. So they eat a lot of shit for half the show and then keep eating shit after. It also probably helps that despite being driven by MMO economics (kill monsters to get a payday), the show does have stakes as death is a possibility at least.

Also in keeping with not utilizing one's premise, its soooooooooooooooooooooo boring to have yet another show that uses videogame logic and sticks a videogame UI onto the protagonist's eyesight only to not use any of it storywise. The one exception I can think of was Log Horizon as it is a story about what players would do given that they are not just trapped in a videogame world - they are used to theme park MMO kinds of socialization. Turns out that when you can respawn murder is not that big of a problem for a budding society of Player Characters. But when some people are level 10 and others are level 100 you kinda have to watch out for slavery. That's inherently interesting.

Isekai isn't bad. Spirited Away is Isekai. Power Fantasies aren't inherently bad either. The problem is how SAO christened Isekai into a haven for mass produced nonsense.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

another show that uses videogame logic and sticks a videogame UI onto the protagonist's eyesight only to not use any of it storywise

I genuinely hate the UI aspect of all these animes; doing it once or twice, fine, it's weird but whatever, but now it's in everything; also now you have it that everyone in that setting can do it and it's like....are they all Matrix-ed into their worlds or something? Who decided the font for the UI? Who decided the borders? Who decided how the menu works? Is the UI just biologically that way?

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Makes it transparent how the Isekai aspect is just there as a way to lock in a public. Konosuba is a fucking comedy show and it still had the care to introduce the UI in a diagetic way (being adventurer guild cards) and for a purpose (creating jokes out of the main cast's hyper specific dumbassery).

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Turns out that when you can respawn murder is not that big of a problem for a budding society of Player Characters

Actually it is and that's a big plot element. People start to lose elements of themselves and their memories when they die, iirc like "xp loss" but their memories and shit

I don't think that matters past episode 2

Actually "are there other players here" is still like the over arching plot but as of what anime has been out, it still hasn't gotten around to it

A Wild Last Boss Appears is basically trans fem overlord but it gets to "are there other players" like 8 episodes in

On that note, it being an isekai matters, in that literally the MC being inserted into "his character's" reincarnation in the other world is part of a yet to be elaborated on plan by that world's goddess to fuck up the real Lufas's plans to fuck with her. He's really in the body of the real Lufas, with her memories becoming part of his, and he realizes that his reincarnation as her is a weapon against her

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

People start to lose elements of themselves and their memories when they die, iirc like "xp loss" but their memories and shit

I do know that and also about the horde of players committing suicide by respawn on Log Horizon. It's just that so much of the story is built around the construction of a society of MMO players and MMO avatars that I focused on the slavery episode much more so than on the memory loss side plot.

On that note, it being an isekai matters, in that literally the MC being inserted into "his character's" reincarnation in the other world is part of a yet to be elaborated on plan by that world's goddess to fuck up the real Lufas's plans to fuck with her.

I'll be honest, I stopped watching Overlord after Season 1 because by the time Season 2 was a thing I had moved on. But I do stand by what I said though. By the same token as before, the story isn't about being displaced to another world. This Scheme, as you described it, could have involved anybody in the world really.