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It's as utopian as abolish slavery. Identify and control is done by force and now the EU just voted to have concentration camps.
It's only Utopian because we lack the power to enforce a shared world.
What good did state sovereignty do to Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, EU, West Asian, Africa, South America.
Being pro-state is nice and all, but it's nihilistic frankly.
SU would've fallen much sooner without it. the value of a state is in who is wielding it and how effectively they do so.
Cubans might as well have not had the revolution if they were going to not have a state.
Obviously borders and national identities are good when they are used against imperialism. Just like how DPRK having nukes is a good thing.
That doesn't mean these things should always exist. A world where borders have to always exist is just as nihilistic as a world where peace can't exist without nukes. Because that implies we're all inherently evil and will never change.
It doesn't mean I will see borderless earth in my lifetime. I will certainly not see it. I don't care about that, but I will try to make so my actions push us towards a world without borders. Even if we arrive to it in year 6025, that's okay with me.
Why do I have to be be the one who experiences something I want to achieve?
To summarize yeah, nations can be useful and necessary, as well as borders associated with nationhood, but if they aren't used with the purpose of ending nationalism and eventually opening up the borders or expanding them, then history will keep on repeating itself.