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I think the thing that people like you don’t realize is that government shutdowns almost never lead to legislation changes. It is basically just a political gesture that is meant to move public opinion only.
Dems maintained positive public opinion for a while, but it wasn’t going to last forever. Republicans were not going to cave on the issue, and after the longest shutdown in history, it’s possible their internal polling showed public opinion was starting to sour.
Your opinion (and a lot of others in this community) is to keep the government shut down forever and magically that’ll lead to all your legislations getting passed and nobody will be harmed by this shutdown and only republicans are viewed negatively. It’s a great fantasy, but in the real world, you don’t get everything, especially when you are not in control.
What I see here is the Republican Party voted to get rid of these subsidies, and you guys just want to blame Democrats because they didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot on top of being smothered by the party in power.
There's no way of knowing that. Some Republicans were starting to get whiny and jittery. But the Dems blinked first and saved the Republicans' bacon.
And there’s no way for us to know if democrats were on the verge of over playing their hand. I would bet the party had internal polling that told them it was the right time to end the shutdown.
It’s also worth noting that many of the democrats that wanted to cave also cared about the people being harmed by the shutdown. Real people.
People on here do not care because, just like that other commenter, the shutdown served their best interests, so who cares. Well there are congress people that do care.
Oh, I am fully aware that legislation changes are impossible even under the threat of a continued shutdown. What I'm interested in is usurpation of Congress by the states. Illinois governs a lot better than the feds do, and I very much desire Illinois, California, and other agreeable Democratic states to ignore the directives of the three federal branches and recognize a new three that they all favor.
I am aware of the Logan Act, and I don't care. The new three branches will serve the people far better than the old ones. Hell, I would like Illinois to deal with Canada directly so the US' allies know which states are friendly and which are not. This is also the only way to overthrow the current SCOTUS in our lifetimes.
Sounds like you’re looking for civil war basically.
It's the only way out. Those in charge won't allow any other way.
People like to hate on Democrats for all the appeasing they do, but they sometimes get hesitant when thinking of the alternative. Freedom isn't supposed to be easy when you're subjugated.
And considering how awful the US military is with quelling dissent in countries they've invaded, I'd say the Democrat states have a good chance if they stay focused. Not to mention all the foreign support flowing in due to the opportunity for a regime change.
Yeah this is beyond fucking stupid. "Burn it all down" is not a serious position, it's bat shit fucking crazy.
It's not crazy if it works.