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Are Lemmy anarchists okay? How does this person have 24 upvotes? In what universe are anarchists NOT doing class analysis, (therefore) don't want to abolish capitalism, and don't want to fight archism?

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I suspect this is just because libs absolutely DESPISE comrade @Cowbee@hexbear.net and will upvote anything smart-sounding that supposedly addresses whatever is being discussed?

Also, gotta love the whole "I have this opinion and many anarchists will disagree and that's what anarchism is about". Like, buddy, you haven't read one book or talked to one anarchist IRL, let alone organized in your entire life.

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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 4 weeks ago

I appreciate the effort that you put into writing out a description, it makes things much easier to talk about. Here are some criticisms to consider:

As an overarching one that I don't think you'll be that interested in but which I still think is useful: You're starting from abstract concepts of political philosophy (concepts which are important to understand, to be clear), but these philosophical concepts and beliefs are not what your primary enemy is, actual political groups in the world are what your primary enemy is, and an analysis of what they are needs to begin not in terms of the rhetoric they use to try to intellectual justify themselves, but in the material reality of how they operate and, critically, why, which is not covered by these concepts you describe. They use various ideas, e.g. racism, to justify their actions, but their actions fundamentally aren't stemming from racism, racism is a tool used to get people to fight for them. Their interests are very consistently material benefit, achieved by control of the means of production (land, factories, etc.). It is only be breaking down that relation that you can defeat them.

Among the merits of Marxism is that it makes a great deal of effort to start from concrete, atomic facts about the physical world rather than moral assertions.

Something that is frustrating to me is that you admit that you don't really understand Marxism or class analysis but then dismiss it. Even if it is wrong, it is worth understanding, but beyond that it's quite interesting that for someone who is so prideful of their epistemic suspense ("vagueness"), you dismiss historically significant political theory that you admit that you don't understand out of hand. Don't you suppose that there might be a bias at work there?

and the methods they use to enforce their control:

Social Contracts: Various different methods of control that must be entered before being allowed to be part of society. for example: Money, Contracts, Laws. If the contract gets broken:

Violence: Physical, mental or social. examples: punching, isolation, debt, limiting access to resources.

Something that I think that you under-emphasize here is the coercion that lies beneath the surface, because the bourgeoisie control the means of production (including the vast majority of means of survival), forcing people into these social contracts by denying them the ability to survive on their own. It's not just about being allowed into society or not, there is nowhere that humanity in general can escape to to avoid a planet that is controlled by the ruling class.

Find others to organise and share ideas with. (Ultimately changing my mind and making all of my thoughts a lot less meaningful)

Sure, though I think it's worth stressing that you should develop an epistemic method so you aren't just flitting between ideas on the basis of vibes or social pressure, and so that independent thought gives you an ability to resist radical-sounding rhetoric. This "vagueness" that you pride yourself on is a fundamental failure in your capacity to try to combat oppression.

Create spaces that exist without the previously mentioned elements. Most likely finding other aspects that I haven't considered yet.

This isn't realistic. Make cooperatives if you like, but they don't actually exist without the previously mentioned elements. You cannot escape it unless you are just living in an autarkic commune, and even then you are still subject to bourgeois laws and so on and are hardly accomplishing more than living like a primitivist for a sense of moral purity.

Once (if ever) these spaces become big enough start influencing the rest of society by preforming outreach and showing that living without these aspects is possible.

Without substantiation, it is wishful thinking to believe that you have the capacity to get to that point.

If the states start fighting against us. Fight back in self defence. Otherwise try and get along with them as best as you can. It's not our job to make people embrace anarchy.

No, this is the worst thing you've said. Capitalists demand ever-increasing profits. Imagining just for fun that you have a meaningful stronghold, that's an impediment to market penetration along with a political thorn in their side. It is not a matter of if they try to destroy you, but when. You must destroy reactionary systems to the greatest extent possible or you are just giving them ground that they will keep taking until they steamroll you.

Anyway, if you want to drop this thread, fair enough. I still need to get around to replying to the comments you initially left me.