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Lieutenant General Christian Freuding fears the longstanding military partnership between the two allies is unravelling under President Trump’s administration

The Pentagon has “cut off contact” between American defence officials and their German counterparts, according to the head of Germany’s army.

The United States has traditionally treated Germany as one of its most important European allies. It is thought to have about 35,000 soldiers stationed at German bases such as Ramstein and Stuttgart, which serve as staging posts for American operations across Africa and the Middle East.

Since President Trump’s return to power in January, the relationship between the countries has become markedly cooler.

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[–] verdi@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Trump is planning a pincer attack on Europe, Putin to the East and US to the West.

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The third pincer is already inside Europe, in the shape of fascist parties that get funding from the US.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Less of a third pincer and more of a fifth column, as it were.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Trump is planning a pincer attack on Europe

Dude's got half the Navy off the coast of Venezuela just arbitrarily killing anyone in a boat. If he's planning to re-Normandy Europe by way of Greenland (presumably between island hoping off Taiwan into mainland China and sending ground troops to stamp out the Houthis in Yemen) he's coming at it with surprising subtlety.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

As much as I understand the worry from Europe,

  1. this would be deeply unpopular across the political spectrum in the US. Even MAGA would hate this. Who's I do think Trump is a Russian stoog, he hasn't yet (can't?) consolidate enough power to do this unilaterally.
  2. all of Trump's actions seem to primarily revolve around what will benefit him personally, through his corruption of the Justice and financial systems. This would devastate markets across the world.

This strikes me as in line with the Trump administration firing/ ignoring any and all types of oversight.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Broadly, I agree.

I would still worry as while they might not actively attack, they may happily just nope on out of helping any NATO allies. NATO allies are more self-sufficient than before, but NATO without US forces and equipment would be much weaker than an active US.

However, he might just go and pick up Greenland if things pop off. If NATO were chewing on a fight with Russia, I think it would be a safe bet that europe would barely spare the time to shake their head disapprovingly if US just went and occupied Greenland. I don't think they'd actually do a hot war with western european nations, but could easily see them just 'declaring' ownership of Greenland and no one stopping them.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

this would be deeply unpopular across the political spectrum in the US

more or less unpopular than having a pedophile as president?

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Having a pedophile is pretty unpopular... It's starting to rend MAGA apart. Ongoing open warfare would be much harder to hide than child abuse from 10-20 years ago though, so it would be harder for the MAGA faithful to deny.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Absolutely These people don't care about kids that they don't know being abused. Their own children dying on the battlefield though, that's a different matter

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

While I see your point, I had to travel a lot for work a few years back... and I got tired of seeing moms, dads and girlfriends making a show at the airport about how their sons/boyfriends/husbands were going to war to DEFEND the USA and PROTECT xyz

I think the brain washing has been thorough enough that they'll have enough meat for the grinder.

If the people of the USA did not revolt after the WMD fiasco and the American lives lost there, I doubt another war for profit would be any different

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Just need a bit of propaganda. If half of Americans were convinces trump is a good president (the best even!), they can be convinced that invading Europe is a great idea.

Just tell them that wokeness has invaded Europe and they need being saved by the US.

Every war involvement is unpopular in the US, doesn't make the country pacifist.
"America keeps fighting the last war" they said already way back in the 1960s, for all I know.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Germany should build up a massive army to pre-emptively invade Russia. But first they should unite the rest of Europe. It is very pressing so there is no way to do this except by toppling their corrupt regimes. In fact lets start with Poland.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Germany should build up a massive army

The median German is 45 years old.

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

History doing a pirouette

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Time to build a new Atlantic Wall, then?