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New Reddit art MOD team reversed 5093 bans out of 5156 bans that were issued in 2025.
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Five. THOUSAND. users. They were banned for no reason, yet people still defend visiting Reddit. Let it die...
How about they were banned for using generative "AI" and the new mods re-enabled the slop because reddit suffers from content loss?
Is anyone really gullible enough to expect something good from reddit in 2025?
yup. race to the slop hole bottom with these twats
To be fair, I would not be surprised the learn the exact same thing is happening on Lemmy, to exactly the same degree of severity.
Lemmy isn't really any better than Reddit in this regard, unfortunately.
Public mod logs mean that, while it can still happen, everybody knows it's happening. There is no guessing. There is no gaslighting. It's public. It's much easier to deal with problematic mods/admins/instance owners when it is public.
Just saying that does nothing. How does a public log solve anything? If anything it gives fuel to the wrong people.
Have a mod that removed a bunch of comments out of spite? Well a user points that out without context and derails the conversation with an Ad Hominium attack. Too many people just throw out public mod logs without actually engaging the person. They’re the ones that are being trolling and fallicous at that point.
A public logo doesn’t provide context, ESPECIALLY when mods have no oversite like on Lemmy. They don’t even need to give a reason for removal!
How is this good for anything?
This is entirely down to the instances and how they administer the moderators on their communities. The big difference is that if such a thing happened on the fediverse, if it's really bad, members of the community could recreate it on another instance and take the userbase.
Ie if the moderators of art@lemmy.world lost the plot, it could be remade on art@lemmy.zip. That doesn't work so well on reddit because "art", the natural name is taken.
I always see this argument here.
But on Reddit it’s just as easy to make your own new sub with a different name.
In both cases you still have the same problem.
I think for lemmy, or fediverse in general the biggest benefit is for people who owns their own instance. if let say i (from my own instance) post into some other lemmy art instance and the same thing as reddit r/art happened there and i got banned and a mod removed all my posts there. in the case of r/art and Hayden Clay, Hayden would have lost ALL his previous posts, without the ability to get it back. Even his previously wildly popular posts are nuked, along with his other portfolio. but for lemmy solo instance owners, yes the posts are removed from the community where they were banned from, but on their own instance it's still there along with all the history, if you go back to your instance you can still get the post. From there you can just move on to other community. If a user asked for your portfolio you can just give a link back to those previous post at the very least.
There's a elite few mods on Reddit with power over 500 subs. That can't happen here.
What prevents that from happening here?
It's a lot less likely. Instance owners are closer to the management of the communities than Reddit admins are. Many would not accept it and remove moderators like that from their communities.
I think it definitely can still happen, as there are no definitive ways totally prevent it. But imho the chances are less likely because the nature of fediverse where the communities are scattered (which some people feel is a weak point of fediverse) act as cushion to minimize the impact. for example i think it's highly unlikely a mod in programming.dev community is also a a mod in sh.itjust.works.
But let's just say what if that guy managed to apply as mod in both place? it's also quite unlikely if sh.itjust.works admin agree with the mod's abusive action that programming.dev's admin would think the same way.
Why can't it?
Depends on the subreddit. Many topics have what would be-called natural names that people naturally look for. Suppose you don't like how r/television is ran. What are you gunna do? Make your own? What you gunna call it? r/tv-shows? Maybe (but that's also already taken). r/television2? r/bettertelevision?
Also, how are you gunna effectively advertise it? Reddit is way too big for a new small communtiy in most cases, unless it directly sources from another large community.
You see the uphill problem here?
yes, it's an uphill problem. but i would argue on lemmy or fediverse in general the slope is not as steep. For example if you're banned in !games@lemmy.world you can just move on to !games@sh.itjust.works. banned there too? go to !gaming@lemmy.ml. places like piefed included those 3 communities into the same topic so wherever you posted people that goes to piefed gaming topic would still see your post. But then again if you find yourself eventually getting banned no matter where you bounce to, ESPECIALLY in fediverse then you have to look into the most common denominator...
Yes, that is the benefit of federation, but the downside is that if a user is forcibly removed from participation in a community they liked, it won't really matter that they created a new one if they can't tell the users in the old community to migrate. But this is talking about worst case scenarios where mods mass ban thousands of users indiscriminately, and not considering something more specific such as when a mod has a personal issue with a specific user and lets their personal feeling get in the way of their job as moderator.
Speaking as a moderator (even though I don't really do much on a low traffic community), if a mod bans specific users just because they don't like those users, that's an abuse of power. But that abuse of power will largely go unchecked because it isn't big enough of a problem for most users to take issue with, usually.
Banned users will typically either ban evade by creating alt accounts on different instances, or not participate in any Lemmy community other than some community focused on mod power abuse, for example.
Well this is true - on an individual user level. But I am talking about a situation where a mod team (or even just 1 moderator) is so bad, so hated that enough of the userbase for that community get fed up - they could just make their own and use tools like !newcommunities@lemmy.world or !communitypromo@lemmy.ca to advertise what they're doing (this does work).
Obviously if it's just you aggrieved with how a community is run, you'll find it much harder. But that's true anywhere.
Oh absolutely, and it's not realistic to expect administrators of medium to high level instances to micro-manage and oversee all moderator decisions within their instance. But I imagine if you lost the plot on your !cars@lemmy.world community and started banning people for frivolous infractions, you'd be credibly replaced by a competing community in relative short-order and I would imagine its more likely that the lemmy admins would remove you eventually.
If I started power tripping, I would hope I would be replaced. But instance admins have a rough job just keeping the instance running. Smaller communities are bound to slip through the cracks.
Im just saying, while Lemmy has more protections perhaps than Reddit, it isnt really that different.
Eh, they'd likely be directly told that @righthandofikaros@lemmy.world is losing it rather than manually checking the local logs.
More importantly is the actual ratio. If its 5k out of 500k that would means 1% of bans were unjust, which could just be explain as error margin, but this one is over 98% of the bans that were unjust. It is a blatant abuse of whatever perceived power there is.
It's indefensible
This can happen on the Fediverse as well, though. It might not happen at the same scale as on Reddit over here due to the public modlog, but mods can still ban people for no legitimate reason.
There are lots of other reasons why Reddit sucks. But mods power tripping isn't unique to them. We have our own fair share of power tripping mods and community hoarders that migrated here from Reddit.
Power tripping on the fediverse is mitigated by various factors though:
Public modlogs (as you said).
Federated structure meaning a deranged moderator team can find themselves replaced by a copycat community on another instance if they're bad enough.
And perhaps I'm a bit naive here, but I'd like to think that no respectable instance admins on the fediverse would allow the brazen behaviour of the r/art team. They'd have long been removed.
Public mod logs I’ve seen been used for flaming users, I’ve yet to see it be used for what it was designed for.
It’s great in theory, but without proper logging or context, people just glance at the logs, see the bans and/pr removals and flames the user. Which is against the rules! If you’re using it for that, just don’t engage, but people would rather try and use it as a gotcha. While missing context 100% of the time.
If you can’t engage the user and need to usr a public log to launch an ad hominem attack instead of trying to engage the topic, you’re the issue with Lemmy. And this is what the logs are used for unfortunately.
And as stated, the fact that a mod can just encore stuff out of spite (happens) and they don’t even need to provide a reason, or a notice to the user. So they don’t even know they goofed most times.
I mean the presence itself likely keeps moderators more honest that they might be on reddit. That isn't to say the modlog is designed perfectly (it isn't). But it's far better than what Reddit has (nothing).
I run my own instance. I'm the only Admin, I'm the only Mod, I'm the only user. I "ban" people daily. Of course it doesn't actually do anything but It's fun it just feels more gratifying than just blocking someone.
But yeah I'd never allow people to sign up for my instance, I don't have the time nor desire to admin people and mods.
In this situation I specifically mean instances designed for other people to use. Not private-use instances like yours. Although if your instance (ie: you) behaved badly enough, and notably so - you'd just end up getting defederated.
That is indeed true. Only issue I can see is the copycat community might not outgrow the older community. And I think people tend to gravitate towards the larger community if there are multiples of them. Especially newer users who won't know of the power tripping mods and will just assume it's an ordinary community. But let's hope new users joining the Fediverse have better critical thinking skills and start asking questions if they see a community with a strong and active copycat community.
Thankfully the Fediverse designates community size by active users per week/month/etc when you look them up. Piefed specifically does this. You can't even see the overall subscribers in the community browser. So this levels the playing field somewhat.