Well if we're not going to bother helping them win, then yeah, I guess they should surrender for now until Russia's recovered enough that they can finish the job.

Fuck Ukraine, not our problem, there's nothing we can do anyway and none of this is ever going to affect any of us. /s

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well if we’re not going to bother helping them win

We've been happy to lard them up with debt and sell them overpriced military surplus. Idk if that counts as "helping them win" but we've made a handsome profit off it.

Fuck Ukraine, not our problem

Hey now. Don't look at Ukraine as a problem. Look at Ukraine as a big play for recently vacated real estate. Jared Kushner is going to make so much fucking money leasing Ukraine's land back to its residents.

Now Ukrainians? They're going to get fucked.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fair point, but really, I don't know why they can't single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers, with strings attached telling how they're allowed and not allowed to use them. Are they even trying? /s

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

I don’t know why they can’t single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers

I mean, ask Afghanistan, Vietnam, or Korea.

But also ask why these wars popped off to begin with and why they dragged on long after any foreign country had a material interest in continuing the fight.

Also maybe look into the UON and question why the Canadian Parliament was applauding an elderly SS Officer who described WW2 as the best years of his life.

Tons of profit in war mongering.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's their decision of course. I hate to see them lose, and I hate that my country isn't doing more. We made a damn promise, and when it came time to make good, we half-assed it. Not enough oil I guess. But I also don't want to see Russia bully their way to more territory either, as that just shows the world that they are still a threat, and leads to another round of russian fear for the world.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, only NATO and Israel should be allowed to bully their way into territory.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How about everyone respect the land they've had for decades and stop trying to rekindle colonialism? We're talking about Russia and Ukraine and you're bringing in other entities into the discussion? Try keeping the train on the tracks. Russia already took over Georgia and Crimea in the past 20 years, just a slow progression to reacquire the good ole Soviet Union. If countries really wanna get the band back together, they'd do so with votes or formal agreements. When foreign tanks roll across borders, any claim of a peaceful integration is a fucking lie, and is in fact a bullying, aggressive act of war.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you’re bringing in other entities into the discussion

No mate, that was you.

Russia already took over Georgia

Yeah? Really?

"No investigation, no write to speak" really should be enforced policy.

they’d do so with votes or formal agreements.

Donbas and Crimea tried, Ukraine forbid it.

When foreign tanks roll across borders, any claim of a peaceful integration is a fucking lie, and is in fact a bullying, aggressive act of war.

Local liberal condemns D-Day landings.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So, I keep mentioning just Russia and Ukraine, no one else, but you keep throwing in other examples. Ummm, you're saying DDay was the same as Russia invading Ukraine? Seems France wasn't operating at that time as an autonomous power. Seems they were in fact occupied at that time by another country... now if Poland had invaded Ukraine and Ukraine needed saving from them, you might have a point and Russia might be seen as a rescuing force, but that's not what happened is it? Once again, you went off track and I was fool enough to follow. Smh.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I keep mentioning just Russia and Ukraine, no one else

Well that's just straight up false:

I hate that my country isn’t doing more. Russia already took over Georgia . That just shows the world .

Ummm, you’re saying DDay was the same as Russia invading Ukraine?

You said:

When foreign tanks roll across borders, any claim of a peaceful integration is a fucking lie, and is in fact a bullying, aggressive act of war.

Seems France wasn’t operating at that time as an autonomous power.

Unlike Donbas and Crimea....

Once again, you went off track and I was fool enough to follow. Smh.

Local liberal furious that someone actually responded to the words that they wrote.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the vast majority of the world fears the US and Europe more than Russia. In fact, Russia is quite liked by most of the world believe it or not 🤷

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The world doesn't fear Russia, though, the world fears the west. It's the west that fears Russia, and is harvesting Ukraine for resources and racking them up with debt for hand-me-down surplus to support the far-right Banderites in Kiev ethnic cleansing the Donbass region. The Ukrainian people increasingly want peace over war, not to fight to the last Ukrainian, it's the Banderites that want to sacrifice Ukrainain people while they hide from the frontlines.