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Exclusive: jury in anti-genocide activist 'terrorism' trial 'told to ignore international law' (www.thecanary.co)

submitted 4 months ago by BrikoX@lemmy.zip to c/unitedkingdom@feddit.uk

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Former MP Chris Williamson spoke exclusively to Skwawkbox and the Canary, revealing the instructions given to the jury

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

However the jury are not sitting in an international court so that’s beyond their remit.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A jury's remit is whatever the jury decides is it's remit.

[–] essell@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

With right wing nutters trying to undermine the rule of law all over the place, I feel like stuff like this isn't helping.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk -1 points 4 months ago

That’s not how it works.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I tried googling if you all have jury nullification, but just got AI slop and stuff about America...

The most I know about the UK legal system is the cool wigs, and what I learned from Sherlock and Misfits.

But I'd assume a jury can do whatever they want. As long as you're not self snitching, you don't have to explain anything. And we're talking about government support of an ongoing genocide, it's hard to expect jurours to solely follow the letter of the law.

Like I said tho, I'm completely ignorant of your justice system. Was Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret accurate by any chance?

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification#England_and_Wales

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Damn, that shits crazy:

The jury was then subsequently kept for three days without "meat, drink, fire and tobacco" to force it to bring in a guilty verdict. When it failed to do so, the judge ended the trial. As punishment, the judge ordered the jurors imprisoned until they paid a fine to the court.[35]

Four jurors refused to pay the fine, and after several months, Bushell sought a writ of habeas corpus. Chief Justice Vaughan, sitting on the Court of Common Pleas, discharged the writ, released them, called the power to punish a jury "absurd" and forbade judges from punishing jurors for returning a verdict the judge disagreed with

No wonder that dude founded Pennsylvania

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

You can't not have jury nullification without destroying the right to trial by jury. Either the jury has the power to decide or it doesn't.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago

Everything is within your remit. Fuck anyone who tells you otherwise.